Violence at Stop violence against women march

Who’s Michael?

I keep missing everything.

Great post from Mollygo though.

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People who abuse are incredibly manipulative and it needs to be acknowledged and any changes that affect safeguarding need to be considered carefully.That isn't transphobic, it is just being sensible.
Abuse isn’t just physical either. Think of all the cancelling, deleting, no debate, alongside the people at the parade throwing things, and shouting things. All manipulation to stop people doing what is right.

Dickens I only became truly aware of the TWAW, safe single sex spaces, etc, issues because of the abuse meted out to JKRowling for her totally non-transphobic remarks. It’s like going down a rabbit hole once you do start reading.
Have you read about Raquel Rosaria Sanchez, Kathleen Stock, Jo Phoenix and how many universities in the UK have become “captured’ by trans rights?
There are voices of both sexes, gay, straight and trans who have been “peaked” (the moment when you realise just how bad things are) for years, fighting to retain the hard fought for rights of women and gays and the safeguarding of children.
The interim Cass review, just recently released and the Nolan Report on iPlayer are both worth reading and listening to. It’s worth reading up on how Stonewall has changed over the last few years. Other names to read about are Ceri Black, Maya Forstater, Keira Bell. And on the trans activist side, there’s Grace Laverty, Katy Montgomerie, Adrian Harrop, Owen Jones, David Paisley.
Posy Parker (a very strong voice) is in the USA right now protesting about Lia Thomas competing in the women’s competitions. Lia was apparently very average a swimmer as a male, but as a transwoman (hormones only, no surgery), because of the advantages of having gone through male puberty, is literally lengths ahead of female swimmers. By being picked for every meet, he deprives a young woman who has trained from early childhood of a place. He changes in the same changing room as the rest of his team, and they have complained that he makes no attempt to hide the fact that he is a man. It has been suggested that the rest of the team refuse to train/compete against him, but the majority of them are on scholarships and would be flung out of both the team and Penn State Uni if they did as has been made plain to them by the Uni.
There’s screeds more I could write, but a lot of it has been already mentioned in this thread and others.

And just had an update email - a video of Baroness Nicholson speaking in the House of Lords yesterday - a truly horrible tale of a woman who was raped whilst in hospital, but this was denied by the hospital, despite CCTV, and witnesses. It has taken nearly a year for them to admit the truth that there was a self identified transwoman on the ward.

You see I think we will win. I dont have much doubt about that. It will take years but you can already see it happening, and the ever increasing panic as people realise that women wont give in. But the damage that is done in the meantime to vulnerable women.

It’s absolutely appalling. Some of the stuff I’ve read since starting this thread is actually quite scary and hard to believe it’s being accepted. I have a few stories to tell but I can’t for fear of falling foul of the law. The general public aren’t aware of how ludicrous it has become.

Been out to the theatre and quite frankly, this thread has seen more drama than I saw on stage tonight! In all my years on GN I've never seen so many deletions. Now why would that be I wonder?

Because we should know our place and be quiet and invisible.

It's called censorship.

What's the point? What personal satisfaction can a man get out of 'winning' a sporting event against women with such an obvious and unfair advantage?

You're right tickingbird it isscary.

We have to win Galaxy but that wont help those who are vulnerable and have been damaged.

What did you see Chewbacca? Hope you enjoyed the play.

What did you see Chewbacca? Hope you enjoyed the play

The Taming of the Shrew?

The Taming of the Shrew? love it Callistemon!

So the men win again- by fair means or foul. I’ve had enough of it. These people are taking us back years to the dark ages. I am glad it hasn’t yet reached our shores yet and hope we have more sense than to put up with that sort of garbage.

If I be waspish, best beware my sting.

Smileless2012

What's the point? What personal satisfaction can a man get out of 'winning' a sporting event against women with such an obvious and unfair advantage.
The personal satisfaction of proving men are in charge. Of ‘putting one over the women! He knows people are afraid to challenge this because they might lose their Uni places. He knows that the transactivists and trans supporters could and would abuse those who say anything, just as they have with JKR others mentioned in * grannydarkhair’s* post.
The rule by fear strategy works in schools, workplaces and countries and the ill- intentioned transwomen, whose supporters are possibly ruled by the same fear that keeps children in a group with bullies are ruling by fear in instances like these.

Chewbacca I’m jealous, I’ve not been to the theatre since COVID started. I have been to the cinema a few times.
Galaxy It’s not just vulnerable women, it’s all the young folks, primarily girls who have declared themselves trans, and what they’ve done to themselves. It’s the gays of both sexes who fought so hard for their rights. It’s the trans of both sexes who have been living quiet average lives for years
tickingbird Yes, a lot of what’s going on is unbelievable but sadly true. And no, there’s still a vast number of people who either don’t know or even worse, don’t care because they think it doesn’t affect them.
Smileless2012 I’d love to know what his parents/wider family (if he has such) think. If he was my son, I’d be ashamed.

So the men win again- by fair means or foul Them and their fervent supporters, yes nanna8. They're adamant that women should shut up, accept whatever crap they're given and, no matter what level of unprovoked violence is meted out to them..... be kind.

Posy Parker, poolside in the USA in “discussion” with a young man defending Lia Thomas.
Posy Parker says, pointing to LT, that’s not a woman. Young guy goes on a bit, Posy snaps back with “I’m not a vet, but I know what a dog is”. That’s got to go on a t-shirt ?

Grannydarkhair - love it. That’s the thing really, endlessly convoluting and complicating stuff.

I summarised the Cass report earlier. There was no response from posters who insist that early treatment with hormones / surgery is the right approach. Debate is important and it worries me that there was such a flurry of deletions with no explanation as to it’s cause.

grannydarkhair

Dickens I only became truly aware of the TWAW, safe single sex spaces, etc, issues because of the abuse meted out to JKRowling for her totally non-transphobic remarks. It’s like going down a rabbit hole once you do start reading.
Have you read about Raquel Rosaria Sanchez, Kathleen Stock, Jo Phoenix and how many universities in the UK have become “captured’ by trans rights?
There are voices of both sexes, gay, straight and trans who have been “peaked” (the moment when you realise just how bad things are) for years, fighting to retain the hard fought for rights of women and gays and the safeguarding of children.
The interim Cass review, just recently released and the Nolan Report on iPlayer are both worth reading and listening to. It’s worth reading up on how Stonewall has changed over the last few years. Other names to read about are Ceri Black, Maya Forstater, Keira Bell. And on the trans activist side, there’s Grace Laverty, Katy Montgomerie, Adrian Harrop, Owen Jones, David Paisley.
Posy Parker (a very strong voice) is in the USA right now protesting about Lia Thomas competing in the women’s competitions. Lia was apparently very average a swimmer as a male, but as a transwoman (hormones only, no surgery), because of the advantages of having gone through male puberty, is literally lengths ahead of female swimmers. By being picked for every meet, he deprives a young woman who has trained from early childhood of a place. He changes in the same changing room as the rest of his team, and they have complained that he makes no attempt to hide the fact that he is a man. It has been suggested that the rest of the team refuse to train/compete against him, but the majority of them are on scholarships and would be flung out of both the team and Penn State Uni if they did as has been made plain to them by the Uni.
There’s screeds more I could write, but a lot of it has been already mentioned in this thread and others.

An interesting and informative post grannydarkhair - thank you.

Lots to read up on and research... names (some) I've never heard of.

I looked at one of JKR's comments that caused outrage...

“If sex isn’t real, there’s no same-sex attraction,” she tweeted. “If sex isn’t real, the lived reality of women globally is erased. I know and love trans people, but erasing the concept of sex removes the ability of many to meaningfully discuss their lives. It isn’t hate to speak the truth.”

I can't for the life of me see any 'hate' in her statement. And the fact there are those who want to silence her - and others like her - is, to me, quite frightening. And she's right - "erasing the concept of sex" really does mean censoring the voices of women - yet again.

In reality (making it personal) it means I cannot publicly talk about my life as a woman because it will offend and annoy trans women (some) who insist they are also women... but whose lives have probably taken a completely different route to mine. It means they can talk about discrimination, but I can't. It means they can define what it means to be a woman, but I can't. They will not (rightly) allow others to define them, and I will not allow them to define me.

Well put Dickens. ??

Dickens grannydarkhair eloquent, informative posts ????

Chewbacca

^So the men win again- by fair means or foul^ Them and their fervent supporters, yes nanna8. They're adamant that women should shut up, accept whatever crap they're given and, no matter what level of unprovoked violence is meted out to them..... be kind.

I would love to know who has said this. I've seen posts from people condemned because they have actually said that women are not the weak and frightened entitities they are often painted as by the gender critical. I've seen posts suggesting women should recognise the abuse and intimidation other people suffer and support those people. I've never seen one post saying they should be kind apart from accusations from the gender critical who apparently don't know the difference between unity and kindness. There is strength in unity. Women can be strong. Even the suffragettes knew this

Women are strong trisher, we need to be and it's obvious that Chewbacca's post in response to nanna isn't about what's been posted on this thread or any other on this topic.

I don't recall seeing the posts you claimed to have seen; can you remember where they are?

Yes there is strength in unity which is why women should be united in preserving our identity, our safe places, our sense of self and well being.

Of course the suffragettes knew this and they also knew what it was to be a woman, and if they were here today they would know that a trans woman is not a woman,