Deliberate and orchestrated silencing of trans rights supporters on GN

Yes-Sectumsrmpra-there’s a push to call us bleeders. There’s a clue in there somewhere!

I think it involves quoting Harry Potter, Chewbacca

Drat! That's me done for!

I still quite like Harry Potter

You don't have to like a person to like their fictional writing

Chewbacca

^I think it involves quoting Harry Potter, Chewbacca^

Drat! That's me done for!

I wouldn’t worry.
I didn’t enjoy Special Operation and Peace or
Gone Young Female so I couldn’t suggest a password from those books.

VioletSky

I still quite like Harry Potter

You don't have to like a person to like their fictional writing

I always wonder what anyone has against JKR. She's given millions to charity and I've never yet found one person who can actually quote one bad/transphobic thing she's said. Maybe because there. isn't. one. Criticise her writing if it isn't to your taste, but to dislike a person, give reasons, especially if you have no personal contact or knowledge of said person.

Rosie51
I always wonder what anyone has against JKR. She's given millions to charity and I've never yet found one person who can actually quote one bad/transphobic thing she's said. Maybe because there. isn't. one. Criticise her writing if it isn't to your taste, but to dislike a person, give reasons, especially if you have no personal contact or knowledge of said person.

Good post Rosie51 with some excellent points.
I wouldn’t dare ask that, but perhaps you haven’t been warned.

Mollygo

Rosie51
I always wonder what anyone has against JKR. She's given millions to charity and I've never yet found one person who can actually quote one bad/transphobic thing she's said. Maybe because there. isn't. one. Criticise her writing if it isn't to your taste, but to dislike a person, give reasons, especially if you have no personal contact or knowledge of said person.

Good post Rosie51 with some excellent points.
I wouldn’t dare ask that, but perhaps you haven’t been warned.

No warnings here but I think I have some idea of hidden agendas. You'd almost think some know where the bodies are buried ??? It's not only Boris needs to quake in his boots!

Yes I realise I’ll be accused of transphobia just by asking, but what is exactly has JKR done to deserve (does anyone?) the death threats demos outside her house etc?

Any actual quotes or actions which mark her out as transphobic? (Rather than just questioning?). OP ?

That’s what bugs me. If anyone asks questions about safe spaces or keeping the term “women” they are instantly called transphobic

Trans woman are women

Trans men are men

Stating otherwise directly causes harm to the trans community, is disrespectful, denies their identity, defies advice given by the medical community, denies the protections given to by the equality act, ignores government advice and completely invalidates them.

Blaming the trans community as a whole for the actions of a few or for issues that arise from organisations looking for paths to accepting them directly causes fear and anger that empowers those who are unafraid to confront or even attack trans people who are simply living their everyday lives. It also endangers any woman not conforming to gender roles or whose appearance doesn't conform to gender norms.

The truth is that all of these discussions could easily have happened without ever doing either of those things.

All of these discussions could have happened in a compassionate and empathetic way.

That has not happened. Not for trans people and not for their allies.

Its a protected belief VS to believe you cant change sex. I think its quite disrespectful to try to stop people expressding their beliefs. Oh and your statement about medical advice isnt true. The Cass report is stating that there is not enough data on the results of social transition.

VioletSky

Trans woman are women

Trans men are men

Stating otherwise directly causes harm to the trans community, is disrespectful, denies their identity, defies advice given by the medical community, denies the protections given to by the equality act, ignores government advice and completely invalidates them.

Blaming the trans community as a whole for the actions of a few or for issues that arise from organisations looking for paths to accepting them directly causes fear and anger that empowers those who are unafraid to confront or even attack trans people who are simply living their everyday lives. It also endangers any woman not conforming to gender roles or whose appearance doesn't conform to gender norms.

The truth is that all of these discussions could easily have happened without ever doing either of those things.

All of these discussions could have happened in a compassionate and empathetic way.

That has not happened. Not for trans people and not for their allies.

The UK has always been (to some of us proudly, to others not so much) a front runner for equality and acceptance. As a result in communities, and the media it has often been a battle ground of belief causing fear and even violence.

I remember the difficulties faced by many minority groups due to belief. I remember the damage done to those minority groups and their friends, partners and allies.

Anyone supportive of the rights of any minority group to live openly and authentically must remember the damage done by those who wanted to invalidate them and their allies.

Anyone supportive of same sex relationships, ethnic minorities and other religions or cultures must be able to remember the damage done to them and their allies by the beliefs that invalidate their right to live authentically.

Beliefs are a choice. Always have been.

Galaxy, it is disrespectful, to ALL females including the OP, but mostly to the majority of females who object to being lumped together with cheats like Lia Thomas and rapists like Karen White and others mentioned on GN.

Actually, I think the way forward and more accurate is to say Trans Men Are Female or
Trans Women Are Male,
but the unwillingness to use the sex identification words Male and Female, leaves it that
Trans Men Are Transmen or TMAW and
Trans Women Are Transwomen or TWAT.

And yes, I know, I’m risking it after being warned.

J k Rowling Violet sky ? What has she done that is so bad ?

Lucca

J k Rowling Violet sky ? What has she done that is so bad ?

I don't know what she's done, other than exercise her right to free speech and opinion, but what I do know is that she gets reluctant young readers becoming interested in books, through her HP books.

Parents (and grandparents) still buy the books, the films are still on TV, and the parks/franchising industries roll on.

She's rich and famous enough not to worry about being "cancelled" and she's established enough to be able to ignore the snippy young actors, and their silly digs. The same ungrateful young actors who were made famous by her early books.

Her books etc will be going far longer than her detractors will have credibility.

Her latest film, loosely based on HP, is looking to be a huge success.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10664863/JK-Rowling-poses-red-carpet-premiere-Fantastic-Beasts-film-days-Putin-comparison-row.html

The same with Germain Greer - her credentials were established years ago, and she has nothing left to prove to anyone.?

I follow J K Rowling, the abuse she has had for siding with women as opposed to trans-women is unbelievable.

If those of us born as women do not stand side-by-side for our right not to be put in the same category as a man in a dress, if we do not fight for our daughters and granddaughters rights in sport, I am afraid that the men will have won yet again (however they choose to ID)…

Oh JKR. I believe Putin thinks they share the same opinions about cancel culture.

What do we think of this?

www.jamiewallisbridgend.com/news/statement-from-jamie-wallis-mp-30th-march-2022

Thinking about what it is to be a woman and of women, both those I know and women in general, I picture a certain set of attributes that are the result of a lifetime of being born a girl and being treated like a girl every single day until you are a woman. That process of being a woman is in every tiny detail, experience and encounter from birth until death. The way you are treated, received by others, taught and exposed to the world and the expectations place on you. That process is different for boys.

Does anyone wiser than me understand how men who transition to women assimilate all that girl/woman life experience, or is it not necessary or desirable for them to do so?

I have no agenda with this question, just a genuine desire for knowledge of a subject about which I know little.

volver

What do we think of this?

www.jamiewallisbridgend.com/news/statement-from-jamie-wallis-mp-30th-march-2022

Why don't you start? Be good to know your thoughts.

trisher please can you respond to my post to you at 14.41 yesterday?

I had read this on the news. but actually, when I click the link I get nothing, so that’s what I think!

volver I think his experience is dreadful, rape is abhorrent whether the victim is male or female.

I think it takes courage for a rape victim to go public, maybe more so for a man in such a high profile job.

I have empathy for folks who really do have body dysphoria, I hope they get counselling and understanding.

This does not detract from the biological fact that you cannot change your sex, every cell in your body is you, it carries your chromosomes, none of which can be altered.

trisher

Oh JKR. I believe Putin thinks they share the same opinions about cancel culture.

That's the lowest of the low trying to tarnish someone by the words of Putin. He's had a bit to say about Zelensky, going to quote those too?

trisher

Oh JKR. I believe Putin thinks they share the same opinions about cancel culture.

That’s right, compare a female author, someone who encourages children to read, who gives to charity to a mass murderer. Nice

Rosie51

volver

What do we think of this?

www.jamiewallisbridgend.com/news/statement-from-jamie-wallis-mp-30th-march-2022

Why don't you start? Be good to know your thoughts.

I really don't know Rosie51 I feel sorry for Jamie.

But I also know that whatever I say the other "side" will have a go. Did anybody know that this person was trans?

Nobody can actually ask a straight question any more, can they? We all have to have "sides"...