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War crimes in Ukraine

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maddyone Sun 03-Apr-22 11:23:08

The invasion of Ukraine and the subsequent bombings and acts of war have sickened the entire population of the UK and other countries, but this morning I heard something that seems to plumb new depths. My son arrived with my grandson this morning, having taken part in Park Run (grandchild got a PB today?) and my son son told me that he’d seen an item about Ukraine in which during the withdrawal from the Kviv area, the Russians had apparently shot all/many of the men between the ages of 14 and 60. They had been shot in the back of the head apparently and the bodies left by the side of the road. This is a blatant war crime and despite all the other atrocities happening in Ukraine I felt absolutely shocked and sickened. I commented that this was what happened frequently under the Nazis in WW2. I haven’t seen it reported though and wondered if anyone else has seen a report. Is this what we can now expect from the Russians in this desperately tragic theatre of war?

Jaberwok Wed 06-Apr-22 08:09:48

Apparently Russia cannot be expelled from the UN, as they could veto any attempt to do this and are supported by China!! You couldn't make it up! All the UN can do is pontificate and wring its hands. The UN needs disbanding as it's clearly completely useless and a complete waste of time money, and space, and in danger of becoming a laughing stock. Russia, China and probably India are already laughing at this toothless tiger and it's Euromice companions.

Maudi Wed 06-Apr-22 08:13:33

07:58Jaberwok

I mentioned this on another thread but no one commented. Yes Germany is financing Putin's war in Ukraine by continuing to buy oil from Russia. They should be ashamed.

Maudi Wed 06-Apr-22 08:16:12

Liz Truss demands EU leaders stop filling Putin's 'war chest' with oil and gas money amid revulsion at Bucha massacre - as Germany STILL refuses to back a ban on Russian energy (copied from The Daily Mail)

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Apr-22 08:19:07

Maudi

07:58Jaberwok

I mentioned this on another thread but no one commented. Yes Germany is financing Putin's war in Ukraine by continuing to buy oil from Russia. They should be ashamed.

Let’s not fall into the trap of hyperbole here.

The war started a month or so ago.

Germany’s economy is dependent on Russian oil and gas.

It is a massive undertaking to stop this, but nevertheless Germany intends that this dependence will cease within 6-9 months.

Other countries like the USA are providing support for them to achieve this.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Apr-22 08:20:07

Maudi

Liz Truss demands EU leaders stop filling Putin's 'war chest' with oil and gas money amid revulsion at Bucha massacre - as Germany STILL refuses to back a ban on Russian energy (copied from The Daily Mail)

Liz Truss isn’t the brightest bulb in the box is she?

volver Wed 06-Apr-22 08:24:21

Sorry, I'm trying to stay above it all. But euromice??

???

Maudi Wed 06-Apr-22 08:24:44

In your biased opinion you mean.

MerylStreep Wed 06-Apr-22 08:32:00

Maudi

Liz Truss demands EU leaders stop filling Putin's 'war chest' with oil and gas money amid revulsion at Bucha massacre - as Germany STILL refuses to back a ban on Russian energy (copied from The Daily Mail)

Maudi
A word from the wise. If you want posters to believe you, never never quote the Daily Mail.
You’ll probably find the same article in the Guardian so reference that.

Maudi Wed 06-Apr-22 08:42:29

I couldn't careless if certain posters believe what I post or not it's a free country and GN is a public forum. Your tip about the Guardian Newspaper thanks but no thanks.

volver Wed 06-Apr-22 08:47:47

No, you won't find the same article in the Guardian. Or anywhere else, actually.

Wonder what that implies...?

Luckygirl3 Wed 06-Apr-22 08:57:20

Today's news that a Ukranian mother wrote her child's name and details on her back in case they might get separated in the chaos of war struck a chord - what an appalling thing to have to do.

I have no idea how this maniac can be stopped, other than by the means that Hitler was stopped - death and misery and atrocities dragged out for years.

MaizieD Wed 06-Apr-22 09:14:12

volver

Sorry, I'm trying to stay above it all. But euromice??

???

It's the Leave voter's compulsion to despise and belittle the EU.

They worked themselves up into a fine old lather about it 6 years ago and have been foaming at the mouth ever since...

Coastpath Wed 06-Apr-22 09:19:50

It's interesting to be told first hand that some posters can be relied upon for opinions formed via the method of restricting information sources.

Sarnia Wed 06-Apr-22 09:23:17

I defy anyone not to be moved to tears of sorrow and despair when watching the harrowing footage of the mass murder and wanton destruction the Russian Army is inflicting on the Ukraine and its people. A recent TV clip showed a 74 year old Ukrainian grandmother being taught how to fire a rifle. When she was asked how she felt (yes, stupid question) her reply was that she would stand and fight for the town where she had been born and lived her whole life. She said she would rather die as a Ukrainian than live as a Russian. sad

volver Wed 06-Apr-22 09:26:06

I know that this is a thread about war crimes in Ukraine, which is what we are supposed to be talking about. But there are many people questioning how the Russian people can believe the lies that are told by their government.

Well look around you folks. In the midst of this war there are still members of the press who are trying to stoke the them and us attitudes to Europe that led us to the mess that is Brexit. Be warned.

Luckygirl3 Wed 06-Apr-22 09:30:32

To hell with the whole Europe debate ..... we are all fellow human beings and people are suffering appallingly. Let us do positive things like sending aid, offering our homes and lobbying our MPs.

Sarnia Wed 06-Apr-22 09:34:41

Luckygirl3

To hell with the whole Europe debate ..... we are all fellow human beings and people are suffering appallingly. Let us do positive things like sending aid, offering our homes and lobbying our MPs.

Fully agree Luckygirl13 If people want to discuss Brexit either find a suitable forum or start a new one.

volver Wed 06-Apr-22 09:37:09

I hope these last two posts are aimed at the folk trying to belittle the European nations that are also standing up to Putin, are they?

DaisyAnne Wed 06-Apr-22 09:40:28

Katie59

It would help a lot if pressure was put on China to condemn Russia
The Russian people do have a pretty good idea what is going on but the daren’t comment for fear of being jailed. WMD and Nuclear weapons would have been used if “mutually assured destruction” was not guaranteed.
Parallel Ukraine with Vietnam, if defenders are determined they make it impossible to occupy a country however many bombs you have.

I'm not sure what pressure could be put on them Katie. What do you suggest?

Callistemon21 Wed 06-Apr-22 09:51:41

Whitewavemark2

Maudi

Liz Truss demands EU leaders stop filling Putin's 'war chest' with oil and gas money amid revulsion at Bucha massacre - as Germany STILL refuses to back a ban on Russian energy (copied from The Daily Mail)

Liz Truss isn’t the brightest bulb in the box is she?

You might say that but it took the feeble attempts of several Foreign Secretaries making no progress before Liz Truss managed to get two Iranian hostages freed.

Back to the main point.

DaisyAnne Wed 06-Apr-22 09:56:00

volver

Sorry, I'm trying to stay above it all. But euromice??

???

Interestingly, volver. "Euromice" seems to be a nomenclature coined originally by Italian communist politician, political theorist and European federalist Altiero Spinelli. He is known as one of the founding fathers of the European Union.

Perhaps Jaberwok [Wed 06-Apr-22 08:09:48] is showing support for the EU hmm or simply just trying to be clever without research grin. I imagine that it's been picked up from some rightwing blogger, vlogger or tweeter who doesn't know its origins either.

maddyone Wed 06-Apr-22 10:11:03

I’ve never heard the word euromice before. I must live a very sheltered life.

maddyone Wed 06-Apr-22 10:12:35

Anyway, as we were, have we (the UK) expelled all Russian diplomats? I sincerely hope so, but I’ve missed any announcement about it, if there was one.

volver Wed 06-Apr-22 10:13:07

www.euro-mice.com/

Neither have I maddyone .

Thanks DaisyAnne.

MaizieD Wed 06-Apr-22 10:17:13

maddyone

Anyway, as we were, have we (the UK) expelled all Russian diplomats? I sincerely hope so, but I’ve missed any announcement about it, if there was one.

Has the tory party returned all its donations from Russians? grin