Oh Nicola! We’re not as green as we’re cabbage looking! ???????

Thank you Marydoll. It all becomes so tiresome when the OP chooses one particular country out of the many discussed on GN, to repeatedly highlight any problem again and again.

Obviously those in other countries we discuss will not be aware of such threads, I would think, therefore have no opportunity to voice their opinion.

^ I assume he could not have have been called upon to fight and defend Scotland.^

Hmm. He was based in Kenya during WW2 and his brother (still alive) was on active service in the North Atlantic convoys. Scary stuff the tales he shares. Does that count Daisyanne?

I have started threads on Wales in the past. ?

Urmstongran

I ❤️ Scotland. And I have never belittled it’s residents.

Yes you have.

You have repeatedly told us that we are sleepwalking into independence and that Nicola is telling us what to do, that we have an undying love for a person or party that is ruining our country. (I paraphrase)

I ❤️ Scotland is meaningless. What do you love? The wild mountain time and the bonnie banks of Loch Lomond? Tomnahurich and the Brahan Seer maybe? (Ask your stepdad). I love Scotland for its innovation, its openness and its modernity. And the occasional nice mountain.

People who find the OP's obsession interest in Scotland's affairs tiresome could just ignore the threads she starts. Why don't they? Why do they feel defensive?

time thyme

volver

I don't comment on Welsh politics or on Mr Drakeford. I have no insight into that country or how its Assembly operates. If Mr Drakeford is not a good FM, that's got nothing to do with me. (I seriously don't know if he is)

They might be in the Union but the rest of us don't "own" them and we don't get a say.

Volver do you remember the endless threads on President Trump when he was POTUS?

So many on here knew all about him, how he governed what the wo/man in the street in USA thought about him, this knowledge mainly gained from Newspapers and the internet, should we not have had opinions ?

I am obviously not getting the difference between any Scotland related threads and other Country/leaders threads.

If we are only to discuss or be interested in the Country we live in, our worlds would be extremely self absorbed and small. I am interested in many Countries and their political parties/leaders.

Baggs

People who find the OP's obsession interest in Scotland's affairs tiresome could just ignore the threads she starts. Why don't they? Why do they feel defensive?

Cos its my bl**dy country she's having a go at and ignoring isn't an option. That really is a pathetic comment.

volver

Baggs

People who find the OP's obsession interest in Scotland's affairs tiresome could just ignore the threads she starts. Why don't they? Why do they feel defensive?

Cos its my bl**dy country she's having a go at and ignoring isn't an option. That really is a pathetic comment.

It is an option, volv. She's only one person. Why do you care so much what she thinks if you think she's wrong anyway?

What do you love? The wild mountain time and the bonnie banks of Loch Lomond?. Definitely that volver on our annual trips up to the Highlands. Such beauty driving through Glencoe! Takes my breath away every time.

I find it heartening that so many Scots don’t want independence. So much so, I do wonder if Indy2 is a busted flush? Time will tell.

Baggs

volver

Baggs

People who find the OP's obsession interest in Scotland's affairs tiresome could just ignore the threads she starts. Why don't they? Why do they feel defensive?

Cos its my bl**dy country she's having a go at and ignoring isn't an option. That really is a pathetic comment.

It is an option, volv. She's only one person. Why do you care so much what she thinks if you think she's wrong anyway?

Some people will never change their ill-founded opinions.

However we are often told that there are "thousands" of people who read and never post (Hello, if you are there ).

So they see posts about corruption, and lost paperwork and all the rest of it, and someone has got to put the other side of the story. Many of us do. The side that has more basis in truth that the biased stories of the Telegraph and old men who left the country decades ago.

The day I stop caring when people tell lies about my country in public is the day you can shoot me.

Cos its my bl**dy country she's having a go at and ignoring isn't an option. That really is a pathetic comment.

volver you have an awful lot to say about Boris and the Tory government! I never say ‘butt out you don’t live here!’.

You are entitled to an opinion on whatever topic you like.
As I am.
?

Urmstongran

^What do you love? The wild mountain time and the bonnie banks of Loch Lomond?^. Definitely that volver on our annual trips up to the Highlands. Such beauty driving through Glencoe! Takes my breath away every time.

I find it heartening that so many Scots don’t want independence. So much so, I do wonder if Indy2 is a busted flush? Time will tell.

Hang on, I'll just put on my kilt and dance you a Highland Fling.

But when people tell lies about my country my OP isn’t a lie volver! That was the whole point of this thread. Where is the paperwork Nicola?

Urmstongran

^Cos its my bl**dy country she's having a go at and ignoring isn't an option. That really is a pathetic comment.^

volver you have an awful lot to say about Boris and the Tory government! I never say ‘butt out you don’t live here!’.

You are entitled to an opinion on whatever topic you like.
As I am.
?

volver you have an awful lot to say about Boris and the Tory government! I never say *‘butt out you don’t live here!’.

Urmstongran.

I live in the UK. They are my government too. ??‍♀️

GrannyGravy13

We have threads discussing Ukraine, USA, The French Elections in fact many Countries are discussed on the News & Politics Forums by members of GN who do not live in these Countries or in some cases never visited them.

Why is it that Scotland and in particular Ms.Sturgeon and SNP are off limits ?

They are not but the views of the non resident stepfather remind me of the views of an erstwhile poster on GN not resident inUk. Who was told frequently she had no right to comment on UK issues……

Urmstongran

Maybe because those other countries are not part of our Union DaisyAnne? Big difference.

Why is it different? Many countries form Unions but are not seen as "owned" by their partners.

No wonder Brexiteers didn't have a clue about how the EU worked and the fact that each country was still sovereign.

Urmstongran

^ I assume he could not have have been called upon to fight and defend Scotland.^

Hmm. He was based in Kenya during WW2 and his brother (still alive) was on active service in the North Atlantic convoys. Scary stuff the tales he shares. Does that count Daisyanne?

What was his nationality at that time Urmstongran? I have a feeling allegiance means nothing to you, although I imagine you support the pound shop patriotism we see.

volver you have an awful lot to say about Boris and the Tory government! I never say ‘butt out you don’t live here!

Yes she does !!!

Apologies volver I always thought you lived in Scotland as you bang the drum for Indy2. So you won’t get a vote on it either?

Going back to Nicola Sturgeon....

She has pledged to answer the public audit committee’s questions about the scandal “to the very best of my ability”.

It has been alleged the ferry contracts were rushed through before the specifications were finalised to deliver a political boost to Ms Sturgeon at the 2015 SNP conference and the following year's Holyrood election.

Graham Simpson, the Scottish Tories’ Shadow Transport Minister, has said: “In this day and age, it’s almost inconceivable there is not an electronic trail of how this fateful decision was made, even if there is no paper copy.

“And Nicola Sturgeon has the audacity to claim she’s being open and transparent on this scandal. It’s clearer than ever we need a public inquiry to get to the bottom of this murky affair.”

Some posters like to criticise other countries and their governments as deflection from criticism of the mess made by the U.K. government which they will defend at all costs. It’s a “don’t look here - look over there” response.

It was Scottish Daisyanne. Him and his brother (who is now 97y).

Baggs

People who find the OP's obsession interest in Scotland's affairs tiresome could just ignore the threads she starts. Why don't they? Why do they feel defensive?

Whose feeling defensive? Angry at the arrogance of others, pehaps.

volver

Urmstongran

Cos its my bl**dy country she's having a go at and ignoring isn't an option. That really is a pathetic comment.

volver you have an awful lot to say about Boris and the Tory government! I never say ‘butt out you don’t live here!’.

You are entitled to an opinion on whatever topic you like.
As I am.
?

volver you have an awful lot to say about Boris and the Tory government! I never say *‘butt out you don’t live here!’.

Urmstongran.

I live in the UK. They are my government too. ??‍♀️

But they are your only government. Why, if you want to keep the Union, aren't you fighting for and English Parliament and an overarching UK one? That would be how unions usually work.

Not this thread vegansrock. Boris either goes (I hope not) or he doesn’t. Makes no big difference to me now.

This thread is to highlight incompetence at the highest level in Scotland by the SNP. I just happen to think it’s citizens deserve better.

Must be awfully stressful waiting for those ferries to be up and running - at an eye watering cost too now.