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Urmstongran Fri 22-Apr-22 19:32:23


Nicola Sturgeon has denied her government staged a cover-up over its decision to hand a scandal-hit ferries contract to a shipyard owned by an independence supporter after it admitted key documents “cannot be located”.

The First Minister said it was “regrettable” that there was no paper trail showing why her administration had handed the contract to Ferguson Marine after ferry chiefs warned the award was too risky and asked for it to be withdrawn.

She argued that her government had provided lots of other information but “this particular piece of written evidence” was not available.

But the Tories said it was “inconceivable” that there was nothing in the Scottish Government's records to show why SNP ministers pressed ahead without a full refund guarantee, a standard clause in shipbuilding contracts.

The ferries’ cost has since spiralled from £97 million to £250 million and their construction is running five years late.“

Well, well. ??

Oh c’mom! Only a complete pilchard would swallow that one.

The Scots love her despite the ferry scandal, hopeless health service, failing education, and the drugs explosion.

Bye bye Scotland.

MORE missing paperwork, really? Time after time. She must think we haven’t seen the first fall of snow.

Coastpath Sat 23-Apr-22 09:55:05

I am grateful to Volver et al for responding to the original post. I knew nothing of the these issues and appreciate some balance and facts, especially as they come from someone living in the actual country to which they relate.

It's sometimes hard to ignore the OPs of some posters especially if they are skewed views, based on opinion not fact and obtained second hand or from a distance (Spain, not even the UK perhaps) and presented in a confrontational, tabloid-shock-horror way complete with pictures and waving flags.

The initial response is always - this person is seeking to provoke without providing evidence - and that encourages those with an enquiring mind and a need for facts and fairness to seek out the truth.

volver Sat 23-Apr-22 09:55:28

Apologies volver I always thought you lived in Scotland as you bang the drum for Indy2. So you won’t get a vote on it either?

Jeezy peeps. The level of knowledge is laughable.

You must be pretending, surely?

BTW, your stepfather's nationality has never been Scottish. There is no Scottish nationality. That's what we want to have.

Urmstongran Sat 23-Apr-22 09:55:56

Blair has a lot to answer for in my opinion. ?
Devolved governing was his idea. Maybe the original idea of ‘administrations’ was sound enough but over time I think not.

MawtheMerrier Sat 23-Apr-22 10:01:30

It's sometimes hard to ignore the OPs of some posters especially if they are skewed views, based on opinion not fact and obtained second hand or from a distance (Spain, not even the UK perhaps)

Hmm, a bit judgemental, perhaps? And as far as I know Urmstongran is actually resident in, Urmston. The clue is in the username hmmhmm

And Volver while you may be technically correct about the issue of nationality , I am sure that you agree that those of us who are Scots take violent exception to being designated anything else (as can often happen with “furriners “)

volver Sat 23-Apr-22 10:04:04

I always tell people I'm Scottish, but my passport says British. DH, who has lived here more that 60 years can't do that. Because he was born somewhere else. So he'll never be Scottish until we have that as a nationality.

Coastpath Sat 23-Apr-22 10:05:12

Apologies if I have mistaken, but I thought Urmstongran spent half the year in Spain.

MaizieD Sat 23-Apr-22 10:11:47

^ I just happen to think it’s citizens deserve better.^

I don't find such high minded ideals particularly convincing from someone who was prepared to deprive citizens of the UK of the benefits of free and frictionless trade with our nearest enormous market; likewise free and frictionless movement of people for employment and settlement in 27 of our nearest neighbours and pose a huge threat to the precarious but much valued peace in NI which held for at least 2 decades after 30 years of bloody warfare. Not to mention being instrumental in installing the most corrupt PM the UK has ever had to suffer under..

Meaningless words , Ug, meaningless.

MaizieD Sat 23-Apr-22 10:13:25

Coastpath

Apologies if I have mistaken, but I thought Urmstongran spent half the year in Spain.

She used to, but she's restricted to 90 days now... grin

MawtheMerrier Sat 23-Apr-22 10:13:40

I don’t think we can do that can we?

You will be allowed to spend up to 90 days in Spain, and then you must leave the country. You will not be able to return until 180 days have passed since your date of entry into Spain (or Schengen). However, you can divide the 90-day period into two (45 days each) and spend each of them in Spain during the 180 days

Urmstongran Sat 23-Apr-22 10:14:27

I don’t live in Spain Coastpath! ?

Joane123 Sat 23-Apr-22 10:15:57

That is an excellent description "meaningless words Ug " and so so true always have been and always will be. No change there then.

Urmstongran Sat 23-Apr-22 10:16:42

Ive never exceeded my holiday allowance MaizieD. It’s always been 180 days in a year just that more recently it’s 90 days in a 6 month period. That doesn’t impact on me either.
?

Urmstongran Sat 23-Apr-22 10:19:40

Thank you Maw for explaining my situation! ?

vegansrock Sat 23-Apr-22 10:23:51

More I’m alright jackery.

MaizieD Sat 23-Apr-22 10:29:07

vegansrock

More I’m alright jackery.

No comment on deprivation of UK citizen's freedoms, though?
Or corrupt PMs...

Coastpath Sat 23-Apr-22 10:29:43

Now that's odd as I thought you said you had downsized in the UK and a small place in Spain and divided your time between the two Ug. I felt sure I remember you strolling out for Tapas in the sun for Sunday lunch. My mind is obviously kaput.

Granniesunite Sat 23-Apr-22 10:34:13

There is a lot of us in Scotland that think the UK deserves better but we’re stuck with a government that we did not vote for. A government that puts party before country.

Let the ballot box decide what way Scotland will go.

Coastpath Sat 23-Apr-22 10:35:18

MawtheMerrier

I don’t think we can do that can we?

^You will be allowed to spend up to 90 days in Spain, and then you must leave the country. You will not be able to return until 180 days have passed since your date of entry into Spain (or Schengen). However, you can divide the 90-day period into two (45 days each) and spend each of them in Spain during the 180 days^

So two lots of 90 days in one year - that's half the year.

Callistemon21 Sat 23-Apr-22 10:37:52

MaizieD

Coastpath

Apologies if I have mistaken, but I thought Urmstongran spent half the year in Spain.

She used to, but she's restricted to 90 days now... grin

Do be careful folks!
Other posters reported people for daring to mention they might not live in the UK.

I'm sure Urmstongran wouldn't do that though.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, surely?

Urmstongran Sat 23-Apr-22 10:40:11

I’ve never reported a post in my life Calli. You’re quite right.

Anyway folks, perhaps enough about my holiday home eh? And back to the ferry debacle as in the OP?

SOME might even think this was a DEFLECTION! ??

Urmstongran Sat 23-Apr-22 10:42:44

It is Coastpath if anyone wishes to use the full allowance.
Even then, that means 183 days are spent over here, for anyone in the UK means they pay their taxes here.

Urmstongran Sat 23-Apr-22 10:44:20

Coastpath

Now that's odd as I thought you said you had downsized in the UK and a small place in Spain and divided your time between the two Ug. I felt sure I remember you strolling out for Tapas in the sun for Sunday lunch. My mind is obviously kaput.

Nope. You are absolutely correct. It’s just that I don’t divide my time exactly between here & there. We are in Urmston more (as Maw pointed out).

snowberryZ Sat 23-Apr-22 10:46:39

GrannyGravy13

Better together, a strong United Kingdom ??

Definitely

Coastpath Sat 23-Apr-22 10:49:07

Good on you Urmstongran sounds like a great balance.

Sorry to swerve proceedings. No deflection intended.

Callistemon21 Sat 23-Apr-22 10:49:29

The Scottish Government would have been criticised if they'd awarded the contract to overseas companies so ? for attempting to save Scottish jobs but the result has been calamitous which doesn't say much for British shipbuilding or competence.