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Oh Nicola! We’re not as green as we’re cabbage looking! ???????

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Urmstongran Fri 22-Apr-22 19:32:23


Nicola Sturgeon has denied her government staged a cover-up over its decision to hand a scandal-hit ferries contract to a shipyard owned by an independence supporter after it admitted key documents “cannot be located”.

The First Minister said it was “regrettable” that there was no paper trail showing why her administration had handed the contract to Ferguson Marine after ferry chiefs warned the award was too risky and asked for it to be withdrawn.

She argued that her government had provided lots of other information but “this particular piece of written evidence” was not available.

But the Tories said it was “inconceivable” that there was nothing in the Scottish Government's records to show why SNP ministers pressed ahead without a full refund guarantee, a standard clause in shipbuilding contracts.

The ferries’ cost has since spiralled from £97 million to £250 million and their construction is running five years late.“

Well, well. ??

Oh c’mom! Only a complete pilchard would swallow that one.

The Scots love her despite the ferry scandal, hopeless health service, failing education, and the drugs explosion.

Bye bye Scotland.

MORE missing paperwork, really? Time after time. She must think we haven’t seen the first fall of snow.

volver Wed 27-Apr-22 10:09:09

Rory Stewart was broadcasting from his home in Scotland.

No he wasn't. He was in Jordan. Where he lives at the moment, when he's not in New York, or his houses in South Ken or Cumbria.

It would probably go my way if rUK were allowed to vote. Wouldn't make it right though.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 27-Apr-22 10:12:56

Well he said he was at his home in Scotland. Alaister Campbell confirmed it and there was an image of them sat opposite each other.

I’m all for enfranchising those that will be affected by any decision so important as the breakup of the union.

volver Wed 27-Apr-22 10:16:27

Alistair Campbell was in Rwanda. Stewart definitely wasn't in Rwanda.confused

volver Wed 27-Apr-22 10:20:46

I’m all for enfranchising those that will be affected by any decision so important as the breakup of the union.

That's one way of looking at it.

Another way is that 50 million people in England are getting to decide on Scotland's future. I don't think that would go down so well. grin

GrannyGravy13 Wed 27-Apr-22 10:26:09

Another way to look at it is there are just over 66million people in the U.K. shouldn’t they all have a say as to what happens to the Union as it will effect all of them in one way or another?

volver Wed 27-Apr-22 10:33:49

So imagine that we did go that route. And say the vote overwhelmingly said we should dissolve the Union. The Union is four countries. So if Wales voted overwhelmingly to stay in the Union, but the rUK vote overwhelmed that, would they just get told "sorry lads, you're on your own?"

GrannyGravy13 Wed 27-Apr-22 10:46:21

I didn’t mention dissolving the Union I was referring to Scotland wishing to have a referendum on leaving the other three members of the Union.

Petera Wed 27-Apr-22 10:53:15

"Ferry chief"? How do you apply for that job? Who's on the appointing committee, Chris Grayling?

volver Wed 27-Apr-22 10:58:34

GrannyGravy13

I didn’t mention dissolving the Union I was referring to Scotland wishing to have a referendum on leaving the other three members of the Union.

So everybody gets a vote on Scotland's future. But if England, Wales and NI think we should leave, and Scotland votes that we want to stay, we get ejected from the Union anyway. Or if the majority of the rUK voters think we should stay, but we want to go, you'd stop us.

Its not really working out well this, is it? wink

GrannyGravy13 Wed 27-Apr-22 13:54:37

We all take chances when voting in a referendum, Brexit?

volver Wed 27-Apr-22 14:35:57

Yes. Maybe best to by-pass a referendum and just jump straight to UDI. wink

Cathymac Wed 27-Apr-22 16:12:23

Here’s an interesting article which takes stock of how the independence movement has been doing under Nicola Sturgeon’s leadership.
wingsoverscotland.com/progress-update/
Wings over Scotland are pro Indy , but have now turned against Nicola.

Petera Wed 27-Apr-22 16:16:02

Cathymac

Here’s an interesting article which takes stock of how the independence movement has been doing under Nicola Sturgeon’s leadership.
wingsoverscotland.com/progress-update/
Wings over Scotland are pro Indy , but have now turned against Nicola.

Wingsoverscotland have always been against her and it and Stuart Campbell is a disgrace.

And I write this as someone who agrees that she has been dragging her heels.

Petera Wed 27-Apr-22 16:19:34

...and she leads the SNP not the independence movement.

People really need to try to understand the difference, not least because voting for independence is not the same as voting for perpetual rule by the SNP. In fact, quite the opposite - it's highly likely that the SNP would splinter very quickly after independence.

volver Wed 27-Apr-22 16:22:12

Ah, now we are in a parallel universe. I don't know your politics Cathymac but using Stuart Campbell as a source of sensible comment about Nicola?

He's a (former?) Alba chap who posted about "decapitating the witch". Not a good source.