So ... no more fines for Boris!

Secretsquirrel1

Thank God for that. Tbh I think we’ve got more pressing things to deal with right now. I’d like both parties to just cooperate and concentrate on Russia (and the looming economic crisis)
I personally think Putin poses such a huge threat to us, more than ever the worse his war is going for him, so whether or not Boris or Starmer had social gatherings during lockdown, although of importance, aren’t actually the main priority at this dangerous time.

Putin poses a great threat. Which is why it is no time to have an incompetent liar as prime minister.

Plural of mumpsimus, stubborn prat’s

Thank God for that. Tbh I think we’ve got more pressing things to deal with right now. I’d like both parties to just cooperate and concentrate on Russia (and the looming economic crisis)

I think you are being incredibly naive, SecretSquirrel.

Firstly, I don't think that 'partygate' is out of the way by a very long chalk. There is the small matter of some extremely disgruntled junior staffers who have been fined, when senior people, including Johnson, present at the same parties haven't been fined. Then there is Sue Grey's report, yet to be published, which could be pretty damning. And I don't think that a very large section of the public are going to forget that Johnson et al were thumbing their noses at the rules that Johnson was daily telling people it was imperative that they complied with.

Secondly, why on earth should the opposition 'work with' a government that has indicated that it has absolutely no intention of helping people weather the economic crisis? It would be truly pathetic of them to do so. And there already seems to be cross party agreement on the measures taken to help Ukraine, which the Defence Secretary seems to be dealing with perfectly competently. What more would you like the opposition to do?

I'd suggest that you stop fearing Putin. He and his army are not turning out to be as awesome as people thought.. And it's not actually our war. It's Ukraine's.

OTOH, the descent of our government into fascism is something which cannot be ignored or let slide because we 'have more pressing things to deal with'. Unless you relish the thought of waking up one day to find we have a full blown fascist regime very similar to Putin's...

GrannyGravy13

Plural of mumpsimus, stubborn prat’s

Reactionary Old Gits...

Urmstongran

Well Sky News is hilarious at the moment. What ? No further fines for Boris ? But..but we can still get him can't we ? There is Sue Gray after all. Surely that will do it. If not then the inquiry into misleading Parliament - that must do it surely?. Oh - and let's keep quiet on Beergate just in case. The electorate ? Who are they to decide ?

Haha! Well-said Urmstongran!

Well that will ipset the WOKE, the Karens and the Labour (Communist) Supporters. Constant trying to talk nothing into something.

Even now the party can’t have a vote of no confidence in him because they would lose and he would have another two years grace. The man is stripping away everything about this country that I hold dear and turning it and its’ peoples into a place I no longer recognise….

Trurider1

Well that will ipset the WOKE, the Karens and the Labour (Communist) Supporters. Constant trying to talk nothing into something.

Bingo!

This weekend Sue Grey will be informing those named in her report and they have a right to object and have that investigated. More delaying tactics from the powers that be so don’t hold your breath for ‘the truth’. I’m over party gate but hoping Johnson, buoyed seemingly getting away with it again will be found out in something so big that even the Tory party have had enough. I wait with bated breath ?

What I can't get my head around is why tory voters still think that the behaviour of JB is OK and are happy with his ways of treating the UK nations and would potentially vote him in again?
That really is beyond belief... heads in the sand!

I wouldn't be surprised if Boris, dodges this bullet again.
He's there for a while.

Secretsquirrel1

Thank God for that. Tbh I think we’ve got more pressing things to deal with right now. I’d like both parties to just cooperate and concentrate on Russia (and the looming economic crisis)
I personally think Putin poses such a huge threat to us, more than ever the worse his war is going for him, so whether or not Boris or Starmer had social gatherings during lockdown, although of importance, aren’t actually the main priority at this dangerous time.

Hear hear Secretsquirrell!

Here is Mhairi Black telling it like it is!

twitter.com/MhairiBlack/status/1526999103615401984?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

I should have thought Putin was a more suitable person to villify at the moment! Also why not the same amount of flack for the saintly Keir Starmer??

Should we not do something about our incompetent Prime Minister just because another country has somebody worse?

TanaMa

I should have thought Putin was a more suitable person to villify at the moment! Also why not the same amount of flack for the saintly Keir Starmer??

Putin is Russia's problem, not ours. I'm more concerned about our deeply corrupt and fascist leaning government.

Why on earth should Starmer be getting any flak?

MaizieD

^Thank God for that. Tbh I think we’ve got more pressing things to deal with right now. I’d like both parties to just cooperate and concentrate on Russia (and the looming economic crisis)^

I think you are being incredibly naive, SecretSquirrel.

Firstly, I don't think that 'partygate' is out of the way by a very long chalk. There is the small matter of some extremely disgruntled junior staffers who have been fined, when senior people, including Johnson, present at the same parties haven't been fined. Then there is Sue Grey's report, yet to be published, which could be pretty damning. And I don't think that a very large section of the public are going to forget that Johnson et al were thumbing their noses at the rules that Johnson was daily telling people it was imperative that they complied with.

Secondly, why on earth should the opposition 'work with' a government that has indicated that it has absolutely no intention of helping people weather the economic crisis? It would be truly pathetic of them to do so. And there already seems to be cross party agreement on the measures taken to help Ukraine, which the Defence Secretary seems to be dealing with perfectly competently. What more would you like the opposition to do?

I'd suggest that you stop fearing Putin. He and his army are not turning out to be as awesome as people thought.. And it's not actually our war. It's Ukraine's.

OTOH, the descent of our government into fascism is something which cannot be ignored or let slide because we 'have more pressing things to deal with'. Unless you relish the thought of waking up one day to find we have a full blown fascist regime very similar to Putin's...

TBH, I don't think many people believe we're heading towards fascism.

Government ministers increasingly think they can make laws - taking powers to change the rules and regulations - without properly consulting Parliament. In other words, the power is shifting from Parliament to ministers.

Legislation should be founded on the principles of Parliamentary democracy (sovereignty), the rule of law and the accountability of the executive to Parliament.

And there should be limits on executive power. Otherwise the executive runs the country... and we slide into fascism.

But do people get it?

As for 'partygate' and there being more important things to deal with... it is the media creating the headlines which lead people to think that the government is focused solely on this one issue. Which of course it isn't. Governments are notoriously adept at concentrating on more than one issue at a time... it's part of their remit to juggle all issues at the same time, otherwise they'd never get anything done at all.

One could have said that Johnson should've delayed the Brexit deal for 6 months (as suggested by the EU) to cope with the then pressing Pandemic. But he refused. He was able to juggle the Pandemic and Brexit at the same time. I'm sure he can deal with partygate and Ukraine in the same way.

MayBee70

Even now the party can’t have a vote of no confidence in him because they would lose and he would have another two years grace. The man is stripping away everything about this country that I hold dear and turning it and its’ peoples into a place I no longer recognise….

Seems endemic in politics at present.

A FORMER Labour MP who sexually assaulted a female staffer in his Westminster office has been ordered to pay more than £434,000 in damages.

Mike Hill, 59, who resigned as MP for Hartlepool in March last year, was found by a tribunal to have preyed upon, harassed and victimised the woman over a 16-month period.

I suppose we could always spoil our ballot papers at the next GE!

Sue Grey is completing her report by 5pm on Dunday night.

She will be naming those fined, although they can challenge this up until Sunday.

The report will, apparently be published, in full, at the beginning of next week.

Johnson said, on TV, he will make a statement before Parliament, when it's published.

The enquiry into whether he misled Parliament will start after that.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61520212

It's not over till the Commons committee's (which has a majority of Tories) report which will be after Sue Gray's report but don't hold your breath. I think it's more than likely the greased piglet will escape again. It"s all disgraceful but what can you expect from Johnson's Tories?!

I don't know.

In many ways, Johnson is like a toddler - he constantly pushes boundaries to get his own way. It's all about him, and his wants and needs.?

Because he's never been punished, but just excused, he pushes them further the next time.

Sooner or later, he will push just a little too much and it will all come crashing down.?

I think we all know what Johnson’s like, and some of us have known forever. But some were willing to vote him into power so that we could “Get Brexit Done”, although of course even some of those credulous people are now beginning to see that its not done at all, nothing like it. But even though he hasn’t changed at all, its those who voted him in that we need to fear; those who don’t care that he’s a lying scheming charlatan etc. etc…because he's good old Boris and at least he's not boring. The message from James O’Brien that I posted on this thread yesterday lunchtime is so valid. If someone voted for him and his promises, and still worse if they think they would vote that way again, then they are the architect of the troubles this country has.

When you read all the posts saying things like, it’s not been proved, he was just led astray, it was his wife’s fault, I can’t be the only one who wonders how we got here. If you have to apologise so often for something, but keep insisting it’s not his fault really, what does that say? Apart from the fact that he is a moral coward? What does that say about how this country has gone? They call them the “Honourable Member for xxx” because the assumption is, they are actually Honourable. That’s why they are not allowed to call each other liars. Well Honourable isn’t an adjective I’d apply to Johnson and his crew, not ever.

Casdon seems to be unaware that Johnson is Prime Minister, and responsible for the xurrent mess in the UK.
How wonderful to be so detached.

TBH, I don't think many people believe we're heading towards fascism.

But we very clearly are. I don't have to argue it out with you, do I, Dickens? I think you can see it too.

I have no idea what mousemac's post means.

Of all the people who post on here, Casdon is one of the most even handed, well informed and interesting people we have.

Insulting her intellect is not going to get anybody anywhere.