Speaking the truth about brexit

I became interested in politics when I had my children. Thatcher, Falklands War,cruise missiles, protect and survive….I resolved to do everything I could to make the world a better place. I really didn’t want, in the latter part of my life, to be watching parliament every day, writing letters to my MP, marching etc etc. I would prefer to be gardening, reading books and walking my dog more. But the most corrupt lying government in living memory has changed all that.

Kandinsky

Dickens

Oh absolutely.

RichmondPark
Unless of course the only reason for joining in with these threads is to keep driving home the same, ageing, entrenched views.
Remainers are surely the guilty ones there!

Unless of course the only reason for joining in with these threads is to keep driving home the same, ageing, entrenched views.

Remainers are surely the guilty ones there!

Most people's views are entrenched - and that certainly applies to Brexiters as much as Remainers.

Witness the Eurosceptics who, after 75, were so 'entrenched' in their views they successfully campaigned to leave the EU.

They didn't shut-up when the vote went against them - but for some reason, you seem to think Remainers should?

MayBee70
Maybe you should clarify your statement re
But the most corrupt lying government in living memory has changed all that
With the pretext of ‘In my opinion’. Because the actual verifiable evidence is to the contrary. Check out all the legal challenges made against the government, you will find majority were not proven.
The biased media can do amazing things when it comes to brainwashing the populous.

^I admire people who ignore all the arguing on social media & spend their time doing other things - they’re still interested in politics but have better, more productive things to do.
I’m actually envious.^

... some of us manage to be both productive - doing things we enjoy - and debate on social media. It depends on how you manage your time.

It's not either,or - one or the other.

I sometimes fire off a comment whilst I'm hanging on the 'phone waiting for one of those who know "my call is important to them" to prove it by answering. Or having come in from the garden, getting a bite to eat.

You appear to be making the assumption that posters are constantly poring over GN comments - it probably isn't like that at all - we dip in and out.

The biased media can do amazing things when it comes to brainwashing the populous.

I'm always surprised when leave voters seem to think that the media is against them.

The Sun, the Telegraph, the Daily Express and the Daily Mail, perhaps the newspapers with the highest combined circulation in the UK, all fervently pro-Brexit. Plus the Times slightly more balanced but mainly pro.

The Guardian, the Mirror and the Independent (is that still in existence in print form?) are anti with a far, far smaller combined circulation.

What more do you want?

The BBC has been virtually silent on the topic for the last 6 years when it comes to critical comment. As have the other TV channels with the exception of Ch 4 which is being punished for being outspoken.

I'm interested to know about all these failed legal challenges that the media isn't telling us about. The challenges to the government's corrupt covid procurement procedures and to their attempts to curtail Freedom of Information have been successful.

Do tell us more...

The vacuum thing is, like the banana thing, a nonsense. It is not a benefit of Brexit.

Wattage is a measure of power used and not of suction or effectiveness.

Modern vacuum cleaners are, like modern cars, more efficient and effective and so less power is necessary.

What we are being told is that HOORAY, due to Brexit us Brits are now free to spend more money on powering our vacuums to no effect whatsoever.

I seem to remember reading that governing down all Europe's vacuums to 1400w would save enough electricity to power Belgium but I might have imagined that.

Dickens

Yes you’re right. It’s not ‘either /or’ - especially if you’re retired as there’s plenty of time to fill I imagine.

Can I just say, I do like your posting style, even if I don’t share your views. You’re very polite.

Joelsnan

MayBee70
Maybe you should clarify your statement re
But the most corrupt lying government in living memory has changed all that
With the pretext of ‘In my opinion’. Because the actual verifiable evidence is to the contrary. Check out all the legal challenges made against the government, you will find majority were not proven.
The biased media can do amazing things when it comes to brainwashing the populous.

I don’t remember any previous government being involved in so many legal challenges. Does that clarify my comment. Please tell me of any other governments that have been involved in so many legal challenges with both domestic and international law. I’m quite happy to be educated in such matter. Especially as you seem to think I’ve been brainwashed[

MaizieD
I see you are still pushing the old Brexit agenda.
However, this is about the OP and the fact that it is wrong and indeed the BBC have published an apology to Mr Gormley for broadcasting/publishing the lie.

Johnson first ?? PM to break law while in office, now breaks international law & destroys British credibility...

Thatcher: “Britain does not break treaties. It would be bad for Britain, bad for relations with the rest of the world, and bad for any future treaty on trade.

Beth Rigby
@BethRigby
NEW: Majority of MLAs in the NI Assembly have signed a joint letter to Boris Johnson this afternoon outlining their opposition to the government’s proposed legislation that would give Ministers the power to unilaterally disapply sections of the Northern Ireland Protocol.

There is going to be trouble isn’t there??

Perhaps it is no surprise that in publishing its legal advice on the lawfulness of breaching the NI Protocol… the government does not cite a single eminent lawyer in defence of its position. Johnson will not easily slough off the charge - made even by some of his MPs - that he is wilfully breaching international law, to the detriment of the UK’s standing.

Peston

Joelsnan

MaizieD
I see you are still pushing the old Brexit agenda.
However, this is about the OP and the fact that it is wrong and indeed the BBC have published an apology to Mr Gormley for broadcasting/publishing the lie.

There is nothing 'wrong' about the OP. Except that you don't seem to be reading what it says, but what you would like it to have said.

The BBC 'apology' has nothing at all to do with what the Guardian article linked to says. Have you even read it?

OK, Joelsnan, if you won't follow the link, this is what the article says

The acclaimed British sculptor Antony Gormley is to become a German citizen because of the “tragedy” of Brexit.

Speaking at a major retrospective of his work at the Museum Voorlinden near The Hague, Gormley, who is half-German, said his strong feelings about Britain’s departure from Europe had prompted him to apply for German nationality.

“I’m embarrassed about Brexit: it’s a practical disaster, a betrayal of my parents’ and grandparents’ sacrifice to make a Europe that was not going to be divided again. It’s a tragedy,” said the Turner prize-winning creator of the Angel of the North sculpture, at the launch of his show at Wassenaar, in the Netherlands.

The 71-year-old artist expected to receive his new passport in the next month, he said, by virtue of having a German mother. Gormley added that he believed many leading British politicians were not serving the country’s best interests. “Britain has fallen into the hands of self-seeking people who are not interested in public service but their personal careers, and that’s a shame,” he said.

The sculptor’s decision is the latest in a run of high-profile defections to European citizenship in protest against Brexit

Nothing at all in there about 'leaving the UK', or renouncing British citizenship.

Anthony Gormley lives on a lovely estate in Norfolk- there’s a very good garden centre and theatre on the estate.

Another Brexit lie - animal welfare standards, it was claimed, were going to be higher -NO - another Brexit bonus they AREN’T. They will be LOWER.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/13/fury-as-government-waters-down-post-brexit-food-standards?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Antony Gormley is entitled to an opinion on Brexit. As do we all. With regards to his embarrassment over it I beg to differ. France (Macron) isn’t doing much to help Ukraine at present by still buying gas at inflated prices from Russia, to which France has the greater affinity. Germany is keeping pretty quiet too. Neither country exactly covers themselves in glory do they? I’m glad we’re in NATO. I’m proud of Boris’ actions as is Zelensky and the Ukrainian people. I’d vote Brexit again, most definitely.

Gas is 16% of France's total energy supply. 17% of that supply comes from Russia and is currently being phased out.
Not sure what you mean by " Macron's affinity". Maybe try reading what he actually says about Russia, rather than the distorted version of the UK gutter press?

Macron has been buying discounted gas from Russia Mamie since the Ukraine war began. It has moved on from what you quoted.

This is interesting:

Emmanuel Macron has been accused of betraying Ukraine after figures showed that French imports of Russian gas rose during the invasion of Ukraine.

Russia made €93 billion (£80 billion) in fossil fuel exports during the first 100 days of the war, according to a report from the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (Crea), an independent research organisation based in Finland.

The EU in total accounted for 61 per cent of Russia’s total fossil fuel exports, worth about €57 billion (£49 billion), even as the bloc moved to reduce its dependence on Russian energy.

France, Belgium and the Netherlands had snapped up shipments of the Kremlin’s fossil fuels at discounted prices after other buyers cut back their purchases during the conflict, Crea said.

Source: Telegraph today quoting Crea.

The EU are working on plans to assist businesses in NI where things have been made more difficult as a result of a Johnson’s protocol.

There is little appetite for an all out trade war because they want to keep focused on the ukraine issue. However, the EU will be forced to start legal proceedings if the U.K. fail to carry out some of the checks necessary, that was agreed by Johnson, in an international agreement, for the supply to enter the EU.
Customs lanes seem to be something that can be agreed on and originally suggested by the EU - turned down by Johnson, but now back on the table according to Johnson.

Still 0.028% of France's energy supples Ug. And falling.

The EU have issued 4,000 new laws in N.I. in the last 18 months! No wonder the DUP say the situation has become untenable. I’m glad Boris is finally tackling the NIP.

What do the new laws cover?

Urmstongran

Antony Gormley is entitled to an opinion on Brexit. As do we all. With regards to his embarrassment over it I beg to differ. France (Macron) isn’t doing much to help Ukraine at present by still buying gas at inflated prices from Russia, to which France has the greater affinity. Germany is keeping pretty quiet too. Neither country exactly covers themselves in glory do they? I’m glad we’re in NATO. I’m proud of Boris’ actions as is Zelensky and the Ukrainian people. I’d vote Brexit again, most definitely.

What does actions taken by individual states have to do with the EU?

PS. France and Germany are bigger contributors to NATO than the UK, so I don't understand the reference.