Speaking the truth about brexit

No idea what the new laws cover. You could Google it I suppose if you want to find out? That the DUP say it is enough for me. Brussels has no choice but to make EU/UK trade difficult - anything even remotely seamless and it'll have another 27 'exits' to deal with.

OK! I did the research myself. The new laws were all caused by Brexit and relate mainly to medicines, food, plant and animal health. The laws aren't "new", but ensure that Northern Ireland continues to have the same access as the rest of the UK (therefore no change), whilst ensuring that they don't enter the single market. The only effect on Northern Ireland is that it can't export/import from to/from the EU without checks. The same kind of laws have had to be introduced in the rest of the UK, which is why there's been an explosion in red tape. Has the Telegraph reported those?

The EU allowed a part of the territory of a 3rd country to be inside the Single Market (for free) to prevent an Irish land border and all they asked in return is to respect the Single Market rules.

I did Google it and found it.

I can't believe that anybody would accept anything the DUP says!!

The EU hasn't made anything more difficult. Its hand was forced by the situation and has had to issue the laws to make trade between NI and the rest of the UK seamless.

Maybe you're the one who should check what the DUP says and the Telegraph reports.

I wish we’d gone WTO. Placating the EU has been a fool’s errand but we are where we are. And toughening up. At last.

The ROI was happy with electronic monitoring (trusted traders etc) until the EU pointed out that a border in the Irish sea was a long step to a unified Ireland. That’s what this is all about. The long game.

The UK isn't "placating" the EU. The UK made its own decision and is whinging about the inevitable consequences. The EU is being the adult in the situation and having to deal with the fall out.

Urmstongran

The ROI was happy with electronic monitoring (trusted traders etc) until the EU pointed out that a border in the Irish sea was a long step to a unified Ireland. That’s what this is all about. The long game.

So you would want to turn NI into a smuggler's paradise?

Jeez!

growstuff

What do the new laws cover?

And where did that weird snippet of 'information' come from?

NI are doing very nicely out of the NIP. The only people who don't like it are the DUP. Johnson is just pandering to the ERG.

MaizieD

growstuff

What do the new laws cover?

And where did that weird snippet of 'information' come from?

NI are doing very nicely out of the NIP. The only people who don't like it are the DUP. Johnson is just pandering to the ERG.

The only source appears to be the Telegraph.

Ah. Overtaken by faster typers.

I really don't know why we bother to respond to such nonsense, though.

MaizieD

Ah. Overtaken by faster typers.

I really don't know why we bother to respond to such nonsense, though.

Exactly. Other threads can be included.

No response from the Brexit cult followed as to why no action on animal welfare standards apart from to make them lower - we were promised they would be higher. Makes me hate this Brexshitter government even more.

anything even remotely seamless and it'll have another 27 'exits' to deal with.

Unlikely once they look at the state of our economy compared to nations within the EU.

MaizieD

Ah. Overtaken by faster typers.

I really don't know why we bother to respond to such nonsense, though.

Maybe in the hope that such misinformation gets stopped in its tracks and doesn't enter the mainstream as the truth.

Maybe in the hope that such misinformation gets stopped in its tracks and doesn't enter the mainstream as the truth.

This. Definitely this.

volver

^Maybe in the hope that such misinformation gets stopped in its tracks and doesn't enter the mainstream as the truth.^

This. Definitely this.

True. But flogging dead horses often springs to mind.

We're always being told that there are many people who read and don't post (Hello to you all ??‍♀️) I always hope that some people see all the posts and take a broader view, not just believe the rot churned out by the apologists for this government.

RichmondPark

*anything even remotely seamless and it'll have another 27 'exits' to deal with.*

Unlikely once they look at the state of our economy compared to nations within the EU.

Quite. From the outside looking in which other countries would like to be the UK right now?

We were not a "great power" anymore, even when we joined the EU. The whole point was to be part of the world's largest trading bloc and second-largest economy.

What we did have was soft power that we had honed for centuries. This government have now thrown that away too.

We now look more and more like a banana republic.

Your truth isn’t what most of us sees. Look at the countries in debt, Greece, Portugal, a list of them, just Google it. I believe in sound facts, sure Brexit needs tweaking, every transition dies and everything worth while,

Do we need to have the "truth is absolute" discussion again?

Brexit needs tweaking. That's a corker.

Allsorts

Your truth isn’t what most of us sees. Look at the countries in debt, Greece, Portugal, a list of them, just Google it. I believe in sound facts, sure Brexit needs tweaking, every transition dies and everything worth while,

What do you mean by "most of us"?

Nobody's denying that some EU countries have economic woes, just as the UK does. That's because they're sovereign countries and behave independently of the EU most of the time.

The "truth" about the 4,000 new laws in NI is somewhat different from the one which the DUP and Telegraph would like people to believe. That was the only so-called "truth" I was challenging.

Allsorts

Your truth isn’t what most of us sees. Look at the countries in debt, Greece, Portugal, a list of them, just Google it. I believe in sound facts, sure Brexit needs tweaking, every transition dies and everything worth while,

The UK debt is just over 100% of GDP, the average EU debt is just over 75% of GDP.

Of the 27 EU countries, 7 have a higher debt to GDP ratio, 20 a lower. Just Google it.

Can we tweak Brexit in the direction of the EU performance?

Japan's debt is 266% of GDP. I've never read that Japan is about to go bankrupt and collapse.