Tory party members; choosing your next party leader and everyone's next PM, what, who, why?

Penny Mordaunt looks and sounds a refreshing change. I can’t vote so I can only hope that Liz Truss isn’t one of the top two. Pritty Patel isn’t standing thank goodness. Not happy with Rishi Sunak since he announced he wants to emulate Margaret Thatcher. Would have liked Sajid Javid but he has stepped aside to l allow Sunak a
clear run. Jeremy Hunt would be acceptable as more of a centrist. Whoever is elected will have to do a decent job or the Tories will be out on their ears.

I can understand the Tory members being able to elect a new party leader, but I think that the whole country should have a say in the choice of Prime Minister.

Just to say again....

The Party in power get to decide who is going to be Prime Minister. The only people in the country who get to vote for the Prime Minister at the members of the party in power.

It would be nice if people remember that next time we have a general election. We each get to vote for our local MP and the party with most MPs wins, and decides who gets to be Prime Minister. This is the way it words in the UK. This is the way it has always worked in the UK for hundreds of years. We elect parties to power, not individuals.

TiggyW

I can understand the Tory members being able to elect a new party leader, but I think that the whole country should have a say in the choice of Prime Minister.

They do, it’s called a general election.

People seem to praise BJ for getting us through covid. Our amazing scientists put us in the forefront of race to develop vaccine. The our NHS rolled out the vaccine. The government implemented rules to stop the pread of covid - and then broke the rules. Could someone explain how BJ did a good job!!!

Saetana

According to the most recent poll on Conservative Home (only party members can vote in these polls) Mordaunt is out in front but only barely with Badenoch coming a very close second. Sunak comes a very distant third - I do not want him as our party leader under any circumstances, if it wasn't okay for Boris to get a fixed penalty notice then it isn't okay for him either. Kemi Badenoch would be my choice - I've seen her at the dispatch box, she is impressive and skewers whichever unfortunate Labour front bencher she is up against. She believes in tax cuts, but not uncosted ones, and a smaller state - we have 90,000 more civil servants since covid, getting rid of those would be a good start as would efficiency savings in government. People always seem to assume that small state means less money for the NHS - not true. The equalities report was made by a panel comprised of experts from ethnic minority backgrounds and concluded there was no serious problem with institutional racism. It did NOT say there was no problem with racism at all. Naturally it was criticised by the left who prefer our BAME population to be victims who need their support. They cannot cope with someone like Kemi who flies in the face of their cherished beliefs. Kemi for PM!

Saetana yes I agree with what you say.
Black women have to appear to be victims by some, if they are low paid and struggling then they will be loved.If not, then there is often hostility.I have seen this at first hand.
Now I have listened to Kemi then I think her a good choice.
I have to say that I think she has no chance though.Neither political parties will elect a black woman, never have, and the Labour Party has never elected any woman.I hope this will change in years to come and the best candidate chosen regardless of colour.
Now, I think Rishi Sunak, Liz Truss or Penny Mordent will become the next Leader/PM and my choice therefore would be Penny Mordent.It is quite exciting really.

I see I have used a wrong spelling for Penny's name.

First 3? Pale/male/stale! Last 3? Right wing public school rich. That leaves? Ooh about 5 and a half members in whole party eh?!?

Chris5640

People seem to praise BJ for getting us through covid. Our amazing scientists put us in the forefront of race to develop vaccine. The our NHS rolled out the vaccine. The government implemented rules to stop the pread of covid - and then broke the rules. Could someone explain how BJ did a good job!!!

I'm with you on this! BJ was a hitchhiker on the vehicles that the REAL champions were driving.he did .....nope can't think of out decent he did! Oh just thought of one ! He was REALLY quick to take all the glory?!

Urmstongran

I can’t vote either but in order of who I would like as PM:

1. Kemi Badenoch
2. Suella Braverman
3. Penny Mordaunt
4. Pritti Patel

All women. I think it’s what the Tory party need.
Roll on Monday 5th September when the leader is announced.

Up then for PMQ’s against Keir Starmer on the Wednesday!

IMO:
#1 inexperienced
#2 too shouty doesn't listen
#3 wannabe G.I.Jane but all smiles and no idea
#4 raging racist.
Maybe the likes of Ben Wallace? Nah! He's got too much sense to destroy his life on the poison chalice game.

Ben Wallace is not a candidate to choose from.
I thought Penny M had many good ideas from listening to her today, why is she a wannabe GI Jane.Just because she is good looking?

Did you actually read the report Saetana?

Prentice You're contradicting yourself. You say neither political party will elect a black woman. If that's true, there is institutional racism.

I think the mistake is to assume that all black people make up a homogenous group. Badenoch's experience of racism is not the same as somebody from, for example, the Windrush generation or a Bangladeshi in an arranged marriage. She is from a privileged background and looks down on others from an ethnic minority background (and Muslims). When challenged on racism, her response is not to lecture her about racism because she knows what it's like to be black - but, in her view, institutional racism doesn't exist.

Prentice

Ben Wallace is not a candidate to choose from.
I thought Penny M had many good ideas from listening to her today, why is she a wannabe GI Jane.Just because she is good looking?

She's an Royal Naval reservist who thinks she's Wonderwoman.

Gabrielle56

Chris5640

People seem to praise BJ for getting us through covid. Our amazing scientists put us in the forefront of race to develop vaccine. The our NHS rolled out the vaccine. The government implemented rules to stop the pread of covid - and then broke the rules. Could someone explain how BJ did a good job!!!

I'm with you on this! BJ was a hitchhiker on the vehicles that the REAL champions were driving.he did .....nope can't think of out decent he did! Oh just thought of one ! He was REALLY quick to take all the glory?!

He also missed several of the all important Cobra meetings in January, which a leader should have been pressent to plan strategies for the oncoming pandemic spreading across Europe .

Too busy bonging for brexit and sorting out his divorce at the time…..

No I am not contradicting myself, I said earlier that I was pleased to see so many of ethnic origin MP’s putting themselves forward for the job of Leader/PM, which I am.
I am a realist that when it comes to choosing a black woman, then none of the political parties will choose her.Labour have never even chosen a woman for the job and the Conservatives in my view, and as it is the members choice, will not do that either.I fully expect that Kemi will be given a good Cabinet job.
Ah, I see volver about the GI Jane comment, although that was the US Army and not the British Navy.
Superwoman? No, but confident and assertive, which for a woman in politics is a good thing.

Ah, I see volver about the GI Jane comment, although that was the US Army and not the British Navy.

Ouf, thanks for clearing that up for me Prentice

BTW, Wonderwoman isn't the same as Superwoman.

Ouf, thanks for clearing that up for me volver
So we both make mistakes, although of course, everybody does.

I do not believe that Kemi's race will have anything to do with whether or not she gets the top job. Her relative lack of experience is more likely to be a factor. People call the Conservative party racist - but half of the leadership candidates were from ethnic minorities, all achieved without any patronising positive discrimination.

Results of the first ballot are in - Hunt and Zahawi failed to get 30 votes so they are both out. Sunak got the most, followed by Mordaunt, Truss, Badenoch, Tugendhat with Braverman coming in last. I have a feeling Braverman will be the one with the lowest votes in the next stage tomorrow and hope her supporters switch their allegience to Kemi rather than Liz Truss. We do not want Truss as leader - she is a terrible speaker and almost as likely as Sunak to lose us that next election.

Prentice

No I am not contradicting myself, I said earlier that I was pleased to see so many of ethnic origin MP’s putting themselves forward for the job of Leader/PM, which I am.
I am a realist that when it comes to choosing a black woman, then none of the political parties will choose her.Labour have never even chosen a woman for the job and the Conservatives in my view, and as it is the members choice, will not do that either.I fully expect that Kemi will be given a good Cabinet job.
Ah, I see volver about the GI Jane comment, although that was the US Army and not the British Navy.
Superwoman? No, but confident and assertive, which for a woman in politics is a good thing.

Which black woman would/could either party have chosen Prentice
Yes, I do realise women were in a huge minority, black women more so

Fair dues to the Tories, of the six finalists only one is a white male.

I find it so depressing to witness this sordid race to see who is readiest to deliver tax cuts. Do none of them understand the financial pressures and difficulties on the horizon? Where will they find the grants and financial measures to help already struggling families? Or do none of them care about such families? How can the NHS recover from its current doldrums? What happened to the promise to "fix the care system"? Do none of them care about our struggling public services? Is there no shred of compassion amongst Boris Johnson's would-be successors? It's one thing to be a "low tax party" but tax cuts have to be paid for and now is not the time to be rushing along this path. Hey-ho, Conservative Party members will do what they will do...

Iam64 the Conservatives have a chance now to elect a black woman to the top job should they so choose.
Labour must have had chances in the past to elect a woman.
I agree Riverwalk and said so earlier in this discussion.
It was four women and four men and in this grouping half were not white, so well done to the Party.

It was four women and four men and in this grouping half were not white, so well done to the Party

100% agree!

Yes Labour could have elected Yvette Cooper rather than corbyn. If that had happened, our country wouldn’t be in such a mess
My question was which block woman ?

The tories could elect KB but I don’t believe she’s thr best candidate