Tory party members; choosing your next party leader and everyone's next PM, what, who, why?

I mooted Penny Mordaunt to MrJ about three weeks ago as her only negative is she’s the Portsmouth MP (football dig, I’m Southampton ?). Should have had a small wager.

Allsorts

Somebody that has integrity and loves the party and not have Johnson’s values. Although just 2 1/2 years he will be remembered for delivering Brexit, handling Covid as he did, two very life changing events and no one could have done it but him. His lies and cavalier attitude that he’s had all his life will continue, it’s like a game to him. If you can lie to your wives and children it’s obvious he will lie about anything he personally does, he thinks he’s above such scrutiny. However on the world stage he’s good, so that is the quality we need for the next pm. Can’t think of anyone with any personality either side really.

Brexit is not fully delivered until the Northern Ireland issue is resolved. Although some parts of the Covid crisis governing was excellent (as what was then known was CEV ’Boris Boxes’ turned up and I didn’t even know I was eligible. They were a life saver because I couldn’t get regular supermarket deliveries for weeks) I do think, however that a lot of money was spent on equipment that was not functional and there were some instances of MPs’ associates getting massive contracts when their businesses were not in the health equipment sector.

I’m not superstitious, but I’ve just noticed that Penny Mordaunt’s initial are PM. Surely that’s an omen?

Her ‘soundbite’ slogan actually is:

PM4PM

I take it you’ve not yet spotted all the badges her supporters around Westminster are wearing Casdon? When she’s at a hustings podium she has a big PM4PM sign pinned at the front of the podium!

I just think post menopause.

Urmstongran

Her ‘soundbite’ slogan actually is:

PM4PM

I take it you’ve not yet spotted all the badges her supporters around Westminster are wearing Casdon? When she’s at a hustings podium she has a big PM4PM sign pinned at the front of the podium!

No I hadn’t, I’m not following the individual campaigns at all. From what I’ve seen reported today though perhaps her badges are apt, she seems to be the most popular.

martinthebandit
‘They do, it’s called a general election.’
That’s my point; this new PM will not have been elected as a result of a General election. The outcome of the last election could have been different with an alternative Tory leader.

Prentice

Iam64 the Conservatives have a chance now to elect a black woman to the top job should they so choose.
Labour must have had chances in the past to elect a woman.
I agree Riverwalk and said so earlier in this discussion.
It was four women and four men and in this grouping half were not white, so well done to the Party.

Why is the fact that she is a black woman in anyway relevant? Maybe I'm colour blind, but I honestly don't think that it is.

Uh. Uh. Casdon I hear PM might have peaked too soon! ?
Maybe it’s a good job I didn’t have a flutter. She was my No.2

C’mon Kemi! (still my No.1 from upthread ages ago). ?

I think it shows that the Tory party generally dont give a toss about ethnicity, sex, etc with reference to power in their party. If you are a Tory then you are one of them so to speak. The labour party in my experience tie themselves in knots to promote diversity and in terms of leadership of the party fail. I find it quite interesting.

Actually I think that because Labour haven’t yet done it (woman PM or person of colour) they’ll deny the optics.

Please stop talking about the debt that your children are going to have to pay off. Our parents paid for the debts incurred for WW1 and my generation - post WW2 have paid of the debts incurred by the latter war. Did they/we notice the payments? Most of us didn't.

If the country doesn't invest in the services, infrastructure and invest in new businesses, there won't bee much left for your children or grandchildren.

Urmstongran

Actually I think that because Labour haven’t yet done it (woman PM or person of colour) they’ll deny the optics.

But the Labour Party has a much higher overall percentage of female MPs.

Dinahmo

Please stop talking about the debt that your children are going to have to pay off. Our parents paid for the debts incurred for WW1 and my generation - post WW2 have paid of the debts incurred by the latter war. Did they/we notice the payments? Most of us didn't.

If the country doesn't invest in the services, infrastructure and invest in new businesses, there won't bee much left for your children or grandchildren.

No, we didn't notice them because most of them were inflated away anyway. Why is it such a difficult concept to understand that national debt is nothing like household debt?

Perhaps they only think women can go so far growstuff who knows. Its noticeable though and vaguely fascinating to me.

But the Conservatives have only had two women PM’s. One of them was a force of nature and the other one just happened to be the safest option at the time. I think the women in the opposition parties are much stronger than their Tory counterparts. In fact I can’t think of a Conservative woman MP that I make a point of listening to when they speak in parliament. Something I do if Jess Phillips, Yvette Cooper, Emily Thornbury, most of the SNP women MP’s, the Welsh lady with the purple hair and Caroline Lucas stand up. I’m not aware of listening to Mordaunt speaking in the house so I obviously haven’t found her very inspiring. There’s no intention in the Labour Party to not have a woman leader. It just hasn’t worked out that way. Of course, I always listened to Anna Soubry but she’s gone thanks to Johnson.

Why is it such a difficult concept to understand that national debt is nothing like household debt?

It's because politicians, commentators and journalists all speak, write and act as though a national budget is just the same as a household budget. What chance do economists and elderly ladies on social media have to counter all that weighty influence?

Besides which, it gives the tory party an excellent excuse for slashing state spending on public services without any protest from the population.

Rishi getting a grilling from Justin on Radio 4!

Am I imagining it but has he changed his voice - trying to be more man of the people?

I’m not a Tory party member but if I was I’d vote for Kemi.

But Rishi will be our next PM 100%

I picked up a BBC link this morning about Conservative MP Caroline Lewis resisting considerable pressure from Lord Agnew to give a plum post to a wealthy Conservative donor. The donor wanted a knighthood and people in this post usually got one after a number of years.

The noble lord described the donor as a friend and put considersable pressure on her. She refused to do so saying he was inappropriate for the post.

I have just been combing the BBC site to find the link but it seems to have disappeared.

Caroline Lewis is my nomination for PM. An honest and courageous woman among a sea of people of negotiable virtue.

Thanks MOnica, this answers a question posed on another thread. Yes, we do have honest politicians

I'm sure people are basing their decisions on knowledge and true assessment of the facts.

Ms Mordaunt was known by 20% of people and Mr Tugendhat by 15%, while Ms Badenoch and Ms Braverman were on just 14%.

However, 12% of people told Ipsos that they knew either a great deal or a fair amount about Stewart Lewis, a fake candidate created by the pollster.

Some 6% even said they knew “a great deal” about the non-existent Mr Lewis, more than the 5% who said the same thing about Ms Braverman, the Attorney General, and the same proportion as for Ms Badenoch and Mr Tugendhat.

From the Evening Standard. Makes you proud to be British, eh?

I imagine many people pretended so as not to be embarrassed or to avoid being called stupid on social media.

Wonder how that's worked out for them.

As well as treating voters with contempt I imagine.