Starving in Africa

The Tories have been after cutting aid since they got in, but there was a sizeable rebellion, now this has been slid under the door during recession and the Tories focus on their own navels.

Maudi

I think Ukraine are in greater need than Africa at this present time.

Normally an entirely different budget.

This has nothing to do with it. It is an excuse.

volver

Jaberwok

Not a word of criticism about the dictator governments who steal aid from their own people leave them starving and destitute. Robert Mugabe anyone? Yes I know he's dead,at last, thank goodness,but his successor isn't much better despite the promises. If governments had spent aid wisely and fairly, these countries would be thriving after all these years,but corruption and terror makes sure that the poor stay poor and true democracy is a distant dream for most of the population.. Isn't the name of this thread Starving Africa? so why the accusations of misunderstanding?

You're not getting this, are you?

Read the ******* link.

I've just got the popcorn out!

Tried one or two responses but would be deleted. So I'll just watch the mean minded having an apoplectic fit...

This reminds me of a meeting at our local vicarage that Edwina Curry attended. When asked about what we’d all done to help third world countries I said I’d done a sponsored fast and had raised a few pounds ( I’ve never been any good at asking people to sponsor me!). She sneeringly said she’d had a garden party and had raised hundreds. To which someone else said ‘ she hasn’t got rich friends like you’. And I got up and went home…..

These threads always have a ‘we’re good, you’re bad’ type vibe about them.
Almost crying out for a big disagreement so certain people can post about how wonderful they are.
It’s an anonymous forum on the internet, no one knows you ( or cares )
Empty vessels make the most noise could well be true.

Maudi

I think Ukraine are in greater need than Africa at this present time.

You know Africa's a whole continent, yes? Maybe not.

WOW Maud !
Virtual signaling what a nasty thing to say
I have never mentioned your ‘lovely’ family for I have no idea whether you have a family or not I was answering your remarks only
nasty post

Did you see the father burying his baby son? Absolutely tragic…and very upsetting to watch.. Then we are told that he has buried 3 other of his own children. Why have (so many) children if you can’t feed them?

Surely he should take some responsibility?

Poppyred

Did you see the father burying his baby son? Absolutely tragic…and very upsetting to watch.. Then we are told that he has buried 3 other of his own children. Why have (so many) children if you can’t feed them?

Surely he should take some responsibility?

Well that wasn't what I was expecting...

Poppyred

Did you see the father burying his baby son? Absolutely tragic…and very upsetting to watch.. Then we are told that he has buried 3 other of his own children. Why have (so many) children if you can’t feed them?

Surely he should take some responsibility?

Different cultures innit.

Whitewavemark2

Poppyred

Did you see the father burying his baby son? Absolutely tragic…and very upsetting to watch.. Then we are told that he has buried 3 other of his own children. Why have (so many) children if you can’t feed them?

Surely he should take some responsibility?

Different cultures innit.

Do the women have any choice? Perhaps they would prefer to have the opportunity to limit their families.

With climate change, droughts and famine will occur more and more.
At one time Zimbabwe provided many countries in Africa with grain and food.

Civil wars are not helping either. Fertile countries are not able to roduce food because of conflicts.

Short-term solutions are needed but long-term strategies are the most important.
The whole world needs to wake up to what is happening.

I guess it depends which country you are talking about. In predominant Islamic countries I doubt there is much choice. I think other countries predominantly Christian may be different. But culture overlays everything.

Poppyred

Did you see the father burying his baby son? Absolutely tragic…and very upsetting to watch.. Then we are told that he has buried 3 other of his own children. Why have (so many) children if you can’t feed them?

Surely he should take some responsibility?

Perhaps he and his wife have no access to contraception? That's the sort of thing that out foreign aid deals with.

But there's nothing like blaming the poor for their poverty...

I feel sick. I can’t read this thread. All I will say is that I am horrified at some peoples attitudes. Turning your back on people who are dying of starvation is as low as you can go.

17:40BlueBelle

Unlike your nasty posts calling me and another poster. Pot black comes to mind.

Maudi

I think Ukraine are in greater need than Africa at this present time.

The Ukraine war is part of the problem because millions of tons of grain is unable to leave the port of Odesa thanks to the Russians.

One person's need shouldn't trump another's- surely we can help all?

Jaberwok - if we were still part of the EU, we could try to ensure that poorer nations were not being undercut by heavily subsidised EU farmers. As it is, since leaving, we can only look on but at least we can continue to support our less fortunate brothers and sisters in the ways set out by the Coalition for Global Prosperity. Read the link.

Posters on here are not turnings their backs on people don't be so dramatic we have no say whether aid is sent or not. Virtual signalling more like by some posters.

MaizieD

Poppyred

Did you see the father burying his baby son? Absolutely tragic…and very upsetting to watch.. Then we are told that he has buried 3 other of his own children. Why have (so many) children if you can’t feed them?

Surely he should take some responsibility?

Perhaps he and his wife have no access to contraception? That's the sort of thing that out foreign aid deals with.

But there's nothing like blaming the poor for their poverty...

At one time people who were largely running an agrarian economy benefited from a large family, help to work the land.

I suspect this may be changing, but I don’t have evidence to hand. However I am sure that it is still true of those following a nomadic existence, like the Tuareg, ,or Swahili and many others. Of course colonialism took away a lot of land that they owned.

volver

Its not about the starving in Africa.

That is the heading of the thread and the subject of discussion, to be fair.

Well the end result which ever way you interpret the OP means less aid to the poorest people on earth.

People need- we send
Simple as

Maudi

Posters on here are not turnings their backs on people don't be so dramatic we have no say whether aid is sent or not. Virtual signalling more like by some posters.

Maudi you are being offensive. If you must know I’m not a virtue signaller, I do take action. I sponsor a little girl in Kenya through Plan, and contribute monthly to Water Aid. Not enough, but it helps. I hope you do similar, they need our help, and I’d be interested to hear what you contribute. . However whilst we can all help on an individual level and many of us do, that’s not the point is it, just throwing your hands in the air and saying we can’t influence the government is wrong on every level.

You ought to see how much money they leave people here with in social care to live on/off and they are changing the benchmark all the time

They don't fucking care about people vulnerable, here, there or anywhere. What is the point calling them a disgrace/ they don't even care poor old silly bowis and &co <an eye roll so massive it could cause a tsunami)

As the planet heats up, the first continent to suffer will be Africa.

The first people to be affected will be the nomadic tribes. They depend entirely on their camels and goats in the Tuaregs case and cattle in the Swahili case. The animals are dying in large numbers because there is no longer sufficient fodder. They will have lost their entire economy.

What do you suggest they do?