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I was agreeing with you VS 🙄

Oh... thank you

Children and especially babies coming to harm is just, difficult to manage

I guess that's what triggers me to anger on theses topics

Personal stuff against me, I've got a thick skin

But the idea that any bullying around trans issues or public conversations or authors they respect leading to any child or young person being too afraid to reveal their feelings and self harming or suiciding

Well that just absolutely horrifies me

I was thinking on my walk today that perhaps I can't change what other adults say but I can behave myself in ways that inspire confidence in children and young people that someone will listen

Allsorts

No idea what is the point?
Mollygo, you obviously have a big problem with men, I don’t, I have sons and male members in my family who are great people, not awful people quite the reverse. I’ve met some very fierce women who are man haters and men that are bullying and are predatory , but don’t class all people the same because of the few.

I have no problem with men. I have no problem with my DH, my children, my in-laws, my grand children, my friends or my colleagues who are male, so I’m not quite sure on what basis you make your assumption.
How many times do you need to be told that I only have a problem with any male, TW or otherwise and any female, who harms, or discriminates against females by cheating in sport, or claims entitlement to female rights.
From your post, it seems you would have no problem with those males who for example, invade female only spaces, pretend to be female when a female nurse has been asked for or use TW claims to cheat in female sports.
Are you saying that you support those males, TM or otherwise, who harm, distress or discriminate against females?
2 easy questions.
1. If you’re saying you do have a problem with the males I mention above and you don’t support males, TM or otherwise who harm, distress or discriminate against females then you know exactly where I stand.
2. If you’re saying you don’t have a problem with the males I mention above and you do support males, TM or otherwise who harm, distress or discriminate against females then I know exactly where you stand.

I realise this is complicated and you may not read to the end or feel inclined to answer so lacking a response means you probably fit 2. above but don’t want to admit it.

This is a very interesting article about a research study- Around the Toilet journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0038026120934697
It isn't sympathetic to gender critical ideas.

VioletSky

I guess that's what triggers me to anger on theses topics

Personal stuff against me, I've got a thick skin

But the idea that any bullying around trans issues or public conversations or authors they respect leading to any child or young person being too afraid to reveal their feelings and self harming or suiciding

Well that just absolutely horrifies me

I was thinking on my walk today that perhaps I can't change what other adults say but I can behave myself in ways that inspire confidence in children and young people that someone will listen

I wonder if you read the case in the papers today of a convicted paedophile who lived as a transwoman for several months in a women’s refuge.

Presenting as an abused woman, “one of us” to use your own phrase, the women in the refuge trusted them with their children in the everyday life of the refuge allowing them to supervise play, help with babies, all the things that they supported each other with.

This account made my blood run cold.Hiw easy it was for this person to gain access to children simply by stating he was an abused woman.

I wonder if you have any views on how this could be prevented in a world where someone has access to female safe spaces simply by stating they are a woman?

I suppose I should have said by simply stating she was an abused woman.

You dont say.

You are misrepresenting my views again Lathyrus

I'm not answering questions that misrepresent my views when they have been made very very clear just so that you have someone to take your anger out on.

Sorry that was in response to the suggestion that the article wasnt sympathetic to gender critical ideas.
I keep doing this to you Lathyrus.

Lathyrus

I suppose I should have said by simply stating she was an abused woman.

NO, because she was a fraud, and a very nasty one at that. Terrible story, and should have never happened. And hopefully very rare, and should not taint our views on real trans people, who should also be protected by Law.

I’m not misrepresenting anybody’s view.

What have I said about your view.

I’ve related a case that was I the papers this morning. Because you expressed a concern for children I’ve asked you how we can prevent this kind of abuse from happening.

I’d like anybody else view on that too.

Maybe, like me, you don’t have any answer as to how it can be prevented. But turn it into a personal thing because it isn’t.

Sorry, because HE was a fraud

So when someone commits a crime they are no longer a transwoman. You cant believe we can operate safeguarding with what can only be described as magical thinking.

Fleurpepper

Lathyrus

I suppose I should have said by simply stating she was an abused woman.

NO, because she was a fraud, and a very nasty one at that. Terrible story, and should have never happened. And hopefully very rare, and should not taint our views on real trans people, who should also be protected by Law.

The problem is Fleur, how can we tell?

I’ve been thinking about it a lot today. Not just in terms of trans but how a refuge can ensure safety and I think it’s very difficult.

It is being investigated so we can’t say too much about it ne of the major problems now is the loss of confidence in Women’s Refuges as safe places. Where can they go if nowhere is safe.

Signed.

Rosie51

^If someone, whatever sex, is behaving inappropriately in any ward they could be removed.^ are you unaware of the woman who was raped on an NHS female ward by a transwoman complete with functioning penis? The hospital lied and denied for a year that the rape had happened because "there were no men on that ward" despite CCTV and witnesses. So they added gaslighting to this woman's suffering. Accommodating a man's 'feelings' counted for more than a rape victim.

I’m surprised that some posters will go so far as to accuse me of lying about the male on a female mental health ‘ward’ where the only divisions were curtains and the females were told he couldn’t be removed because he identified as a woman and removing him would be homophobic, in order to support their determination to be in the right.
Unfortunately for the other patients it was absolutely true. Eventually, promise of publicity was more effective than the fear or feelings of the females.

It just shows how far down the road of supporting harmful TW some posters have gone.

Lathyrus

I suppose I should have said by simply stating she was an abused woman.

Absolutely not!

Even if you favour wrong-sex pronouns for transwomen you like, no sex offender deserves any politeness.

VioletSky

You are misrepresenting my views again Lathyrus

I'm not answering questions that misrepresent my views when they have been made very very clear just so that you have someone to take your anger out on.

I rather think you’re misrepresenting me by saying I’m angry.

Now that is quite personal.

Fleurpepper

Sorry, because HE was a fraud

But before this was discovered, you'd have been defending his 'right' to be in a women's refuge.

Give that a little thought please Fleurpepper.

Lathyrus

I’m not misrepresenting anybody’s view.

What have I said about your view.

I’ve related a case that was I the papers this morning. Because you expressed a concern for children I’ve asked you how we can prevent this kind of abuse from happening.

I’d like anybody else view on that too.

Maybe, like me, you don’t have any answer as to how it can be prevented. But turn it into a personal thing because it isn’t.

"One of us" did not need to be in your comment Lathyrus

I'm a sexual abuse survivor and I don't see anyone committing that sort of crime as a member of the human race let alone "one of us"

You also threw a story I hadn't heard of at me like a grenade.

I'm as devastated as anyone else and given that I have never advocated for women to lose safe spaces like refuges, why you would ever do that I just don't understand

There was absolutely no need to address that personally to me in any way

I really can't understand that sort of technique in discussion at all

I'm going to leave this thread now

Glorianny

This is a very interesting article about a research study- Around the Toilet journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0038026120934697
It isn't sympathetic to gender critical ideas.

Fascinating read. Thank you for posting.

Or even, now I’ve read it again, to say that I’m the sort of person that “needs someone to *take their anger out on*”

That’s reportable I think if I did that kind of thing.

Its prevented by no men, however they

Lathyrus

Fleurpepper

Lathyrus

I suppose I should have said by simply stating she was an abused woman.

NO, because she was a fraud, and a very nasty one at that. Terrible story, and should have never happened. And hopefully very rare, and should not taint our views on real trans people, who should also be protected by Law.

The problem is Fleur, how can we tell?

I’ve been thinking about it a lot today. Not just in terms of trans but how a refuge can ensure safety and I think it’s very difficult.

It is being investigated so we can’t say too much about it ne of the major problems now is the loss of confidence in Women’s Refuges as safe places. Where can they go if nowhere is safe.

Totally agree that it is very difficult.