Petition : *Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex*

If you pretend that is the case daisyanne. You will risk causing severe harm to transpeople.
VS I am astounded that wikipedia page is allowed to stand, it references all sorts that I would have thought would be considered transphobia. I sort of wonder if it has been tampered with. It references autogynephila (apologies if that's incorrect spelling) and other very worrying claims.
VS one of my greatest concerns is lack of evidence based research and medical care, that was one of the key concerns in the cass report for example.

Stop equating criminals with those suffering genuine gender dysphoria, it's morally bankrupt.

DaisyAnne, a sound argument is self supporting , and much of what passes for evidence is common knowledge.

It's usually obvious to the reader whether or not the poster overrates their ability.

DaisyAnne

I didn't refute it GrannyGravy. I asked a simple question about your qualifications. I am not really interested in your opinion.

^Every now and then, you may come across someone who thinks they know more about a topic than others, when they actually have little to no background to support that belief. If so, you may have encountered the Dunning-Kruger effect.^

I am sorry if biological facts offend you.

Try reading Sir Robert Winston, perhaps you will trust his scientific background.

Galaxy

If you pretend that is the case daisyanne. You will risk causing severe harm to transpeople.
VS I am astounded that wikipedia page is allowed to stand, it references all sorts that I would have thought would be considered transphobia. I sort of wonder if it has been tampered with. It references autogynephila (apologies if that's incorrect spelling) and other very worrying claims.
VS one of my greatest concerns is lack of evidence based research and medical care, that was one of the key concerns in the cass report for example.

I have in no way disagreed with the cass report Galaxy but your idea that it supports your views or your stance rather than mine is just plain wrong

Saying it is fact doesn't make it so GrannyGravy

People have stated that it is fact that the earth is flat because they couldn't see the curve on the horizon but they are also wrong

I will be honest and say that if you are using that wikipedia page as evidence I am completely unclear of your views.

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnne

I didn't refute it GrannyGravy. I asked a simple question about your qualifications. I am not really interested in your opinion.

^Every now and then, you may come across someone who thinks they know more about a topic than others, when they actually have little to no background to support that belief. If so, you may have encountered the Dunning-Kruger effect.^

I am sorry if biological facts offend you.

Try reading Sir Robert Winston, perhaps you will trust his scientific background.

It is indeed a biological fact, this can't be disputed.

But it makes no difference to the concept of discrimination. Why is discrimination against certain groups, on biological facts, acceptable- and not others on other grounds?

Fleurpepper

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DaisyAnne

I didn't refute it GrannyGravy. I asked a simple question about your qualifications. I am not really interested in your opinion.

^Every now and then, you may come across someone who thinks they know more about a topic than others, when they actually have little to no background to support that belief. If so, you may have encountered the Dunning-Kruger effect.^

I am sorry if biological facts offend you.

Try reading Sir Robert Winston, perhaps you will trust his scientific background.

It is indeed a biological fact, this can't be disputed.

But it makes no difference to the concept of discrimination. Why is discrimination against certain groups, on biological facts, acceptable- and not others on other grounds?

I do not think it is discriminatory to keep female only spaces for females.

In fact it is discriminatory to not let females have their female own spaces.

It depends if you view single sex spaces as discrimination I suppose.
They are acceptable because the equality act allows them.

Signed

Galaxy

I will be honest and say that if you are using that wikipedia page as evidence I am completely unclear of your views.

My views are open minded to possibility that is the point.

My view is that more studies need to be done.

My view is that mistakes must be prevented.

My view is that gender dysphoria is real and needs to be treated appropriately.

My view is that trans women are women and i have spent enough time in intersectional feminist circles to know these people belong with women.

My view is that safeguarding needs to be in place to stop abusive men masquerading as trans

My view is that gender critical feminsim does more harm than good

My view is that people are being bullied and discriminated against due to gender critical ideology and a lot of those people are actually not trans but young people not conforming to gender norms masculine appearing women and butch lesbians

My view is that the gender critical are taking very little responsibility for the harm they are doing.

My view is that I have seen intersectional feminists call out abuse by trans activists on many occasions but I have seen 0 people here call out the recent abuse to a trans surgeon whipped up by a woman whose own evidence contradicts her story

But you know just another day on gransnet where we need 3 threads in a week about trans people and the genuine horrors of how women are treated across the globe isn't on the agenda

Well yes I am sure you do believe that.

Galaxy

Well yes I am sure you do believe that.

Evidence based sadly

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnne

I didn't refute it GrannyGravy. I asked a simple question about your qualifications. I am not really interested in your opinion.

^Every now and then, you may come across someone who thinks they know more about a topic than others, when they actually have little to no background to support that belief. If so, you may have encountered the Dunning-Kruger effect.^

I am sorry if biological facts offend you.

Try reading Sir Robert Winston, perhaps you will trust his scientific background.

More of the gaslighting GrannyGravy? I did not say I was offended by biological facts, just as I did not "refute" anything. Any more of my posts you would like to twist?

I wouldn't accept any single source GrannyGravy. I don't even know if he has actually been working in this area. Unlike you, I am not trying force others to agree with any opinion I might hold.

I commented on the bullying attached to the group who keep bringing it up on GN. It appears you just cannot stop.

You have to have a strong constitution for these threads.

Word twisting, assumptions and gaslighting with a huge dose of projection

In view of the many people who need single sex public toilets and changing rooms what may be ideal would be three sorts : a) men

b) women

c) men and women

DaisyAnne

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DaisyAnne

I didn't refute it GrannyGravy. I asked a simple question about your qualifications. I am not really interested in your opinion.

^Every now and then, you may come across someone who thinks they know more about a topic than others, when they actually have little to no background to support that belief. If so, you may have encountered the Dunning-Kruger effect.^

I am sorry if biological facts offend you.

Try reading Sir Robert Winston, perhaps you will trust his scientific background.

More of the gaslighting GrannyGravy? I did not say I was offended by biological facts, just as I did not "refute" anything. Any more of my posts you would like to twist?

I wouldn't accept any single source GrannyGravy. I don't even know if he has actually been working in this area. Unlike you, I am not trying force others to agree with any opinion I might hold.

I commented on the bullying attached to the group who keep bringing it up on GN. It appears you just cannot stop.

1. I am of part of any group

2. I have never and will never bully/gaslight anyone, anywhere

3. I have no problem with what anyone believes as long as they do not insist their beliefs are facts.

4. I am pro female only spaces as a mother and grandmother of girls.

Galaxy

It depends if you view single sex spaces as discrimination I suppose.
They are acceptable because the equality act allows them.

Do you believe that a trans woman (whom you will call amn due to gametes), who has no gonads, no penis and pees sitting down, is feminine, wears female attire, etc- should go to a man's toilet? Do you have any idea what massive risk it would be to her- to be beaten up or raped?

1. I am not part of any group

call man

Single sex spaces are protected by the equality where there is a proven need.

Where there is a proven need might be the best place to start with safeguarding and seperate secure spaces for everyone

I don't know if this is any help, but when I am on my other discussion groups,and when I am claiming something or other, I say " I'm not a (physicist , Biblical scholar, GP, etc) however I thought it may be the case that---"

VioletSky

Single sex spaces are protected by the equality where there is a proven need.

Where there is a proven need might be the best place to start with safeguarding and seperate secure spaces for everyone

On that we agree

Oops sorry premature posting.

We are all entitled to separate secure spaces, which is why I shall continue to battle for female only spaces.

Perhaps the trans community should campaign for a third category of safe places?