Drag Act and Bondage Act for a babies and toddlers to enjoy?

ExperiencedNotOld

They obviously consider you VioletSky as today’s target. With a jab at me - unnamed - with reference to moral code. I maintain that times and decisions are different due to a different lived experience.

lived experience

I don't remember there being this type of show aimed at babies and mothers when my DC were small so it would have been difficult to have the lived experience when our babies were small.

If you think we've led sheltered lives then that is a judgement which is made with no basis in any facts posted on here.

We have a duty of care towards children 👏👏👏

Bridie22

I believe the age range on mumsnet is quite vast... maybe you could look at their opinions on this subject .

On here we have 40 - 90+, that’s quite a range
We may have younger posters, I don’t know.
I think people join GN because it’s much more ‘intimate’. For me, it definitely wasn’t an age thing.
And yes, I get your point, it won’t be going down too well on MN either

FannyCornforth

*VS*: ‘I would never say anything about this to anyone’

Why not?
By ‘anyone’, I’m thinking that you don’t just mean the kids.
That is, are you saying that wouldn’t be secure in discussing your views with colleagues, parents, representatives of outside agencies etc?

When I was a TA (sorry - I know this will annoy you!) my colleagues knew all about my opinions!

FC

I was referring to the comment made to me, as something I would not say to anyone here...

If I disagree I will disagree respectfully with points to back up what I am saying

In my mind as anyone makes personal comments they have lost the argument

I'm lucky if I see anyone to talk to on a daily basis at work, most days no break and working/studying through lunch.. and a quick sandwich

FannyCornforth

Shep - ditto.
There’s no point on my commenting further, you all put it so much better.
I’ll go and shower my loo / feed next door’s cat…

🤣🤣🤣

I measured the shower head - it won't reach.
The bathroom is soaking

Corporal punishment was still allowed until 1986

Only Scotland and Wales have a ban on smacking children now

So if this is somehow worse than the generations who thought snacking children was fine, I don't know what to say

That's good news Urmstongran swayed by public opinion perhaps.

Snacking children are fine!
What was it today, bananas?
There’s always a glut of bananas on a Friday 🍌

FannyCornforth

Snacking children are fine!
What was it today, bananas?
There’s always a glut of bananas on a Friday 🍌

Bondage is ok but not crisps or chocolate, they are bad snacks, not good for children.

No smacking children is not fine

Smacking is not about the child, it is about the adult who cannot control their own anger.

That does not help teach children to manage anger. It teaches children to express anger with violence

Scotland and Wales banned smacking very recently and we will soon follow

Oh, you said snacking
Sorry

Obviously my personal opinion warrants a deletion...why ?

Fanny Cornforth... I was just directing VS to the age range she thought might have agreed with her.

I think I will go do something else now

FannyCornforth

*VS*: ‘I would never say anything about this to anyone’

Why not?
By ‘anyone’, I’m thinking that you don’t just mean the kids.
That is, are you saying that wouldn’t be secure in discussing your views with colleagues, parents, representatives of outside agencies etc?

When I was a TA (sorry - I know this will annoy you!) my colleagues knew all about my opinions!

I did wonder about that FC. If VS would never say anything about this to anyone, apart from GN, where she is anonymous, then why not? If you think something is OK, and what stops you saying it?
Regardless of whether or not bondage is suitable for babies (of unspecified age), posters in here are endorsing parents going out drinking in the afternoon in an environment too noisy for babies.
When posters are vociferous about working with children it’s not unreasonable for me or anyone to question how support of those issues matches with the care of young children and understanding if their needs.
Although I’m older than VS, what she says here is equally applicable to me.
I have quite a lot of young parent friends and acquaintances and my personal opinions are about where everyone else's are.
This latter justification has been used a lot recently on GN.
The difference is that if our opinions don’t coincide they (and I) would say something about it, not hide it.

This thread has turned a bit personal. I know posters like VS like to wind you all up, which really isn't on either but the ganging up mentality isn't very nice either.

VS is wrong about this being ok though. It would be okay if the Mums met whatever time of day and had a drinking session, watched drag and bondage and had a rave without their babies/children and managed the childcare with someone else whilst they were there, pumped milk...whatever necessary.

My health visitor was quite heavily involved with my family when my older two were little as my eldest wasn't developing normally. I imagine if she had of had an impression I was going out or even in, drinking alcohol in the day social services would have been involved and because of my age at the time I imagine we have been faced with a foster care placement. I am not being over the top. That is without the other scenarios going on. There is nothing wrong and everything right with Mothers (and Fathers) of babies and young children being responsible and some point isn't even about content.

JaneJudge, disagreeing with a poster happens when the majority view is largely consistently in disagreement with a small number of others. I don’t see that as hanging up, though I think you’re correct in suggesting Violet enjoys winding up, goading others.

I have daughters in their mid-late thirties, I’m very fortunate to be included in celebrations they share with a large friendship group who also have children. The children range from babies to ten year olds. They’re a group who enjiy a party. I can guarantee none of them would see this bondage thing as entertainment, especially for young mums and babies

VioletSky

No smacking children is not fine

Smacking is not about the child, it is about the adult who cannot control their own anger.

That does not help teach children to manage anger. It teaches children to express anger with violence

Scotland and Wales banned smacking very recently and we will soon follow

Sorry VS, I was making fun of your typo.
I would have thought that you would have known that I wasn’t an advocate of walloping kids.
Jane is right, perhaps I am being a bit mean, but I do think you bring it on yourself sometimes

I think if certain someone's Employers knew of her hidden views there might be a lot of questions to answer.
Luckily today we are all aware of the dangers to children from the hidden net, adults who pray on vulnerable young babies and children.
If I was a mum in the crowd I would be worried about being identified.
I would also be worried as others have said if a person who thought there was nothing wrong with such acts was in charge of my children.
Nothing should be kept hidden where vulnerable people are concerned, just think of all the grooming that goes on.

That’s the key, Yammy. I know it’s important to keep personal politics and belief systems out of work but very strongly held personal views are likely to influence assessment

I’m thinking of the issue under discussion which includes inevitably what the observer sees as acceptable sexual behaviour in the presence of infants and children

So ok for stay at home dad to take their baby to strip show ?
Just asking the dad seated next to you to hold the baby whilst having a lap dance .

Dress it up how you like, but all of it is

Cherry tree 👍🏻

Yes it is Cherrytree.

VioletSky

Dickens

My comment came before others and I was referring to the article as a silly fuss.

I don't think any babies will be harmed by what is basically some sort of interpretive dance and I think it's the parents responsibility and not my place to judge them, so I don't.

OK, so questioning this show is judgemental on the parents, based on the premise that it's their responsibility?

Well, that's a pretty neat way of avoiding any constructive debate on the issue.

Dickens

Well, that's a pretty neat way of avoiding any constructive debate on the issue.
It’s not neat, it’s pathetic and not unexpected from someone who would never say anything about it to anyone.

Hello

Just to say I won't be addressing any further comments, people can think of me what they wish, its been interesting but I won't be answering