Drag Act and Bondage Act for a babies and toddlers to enjoy?

Socks (unnamed) are busy today. Can’t be VS because I’ve read her posts saying she never reports.

Blimey I have a nap with the toddler GC and I miss the excitement 🤣🧌

Oreo

Can’t you see that comment for what it is Germanshepherdsmum Somebody taking the piss I’m afraid.User name gives it away.

Irony Oreo, irony - and reported. Username was a bit of a clue.

I used to work in a Pub years ago, and they had drag acts. I found them quite funny, and the Drag Queens were beautiful.
However they are not for Mothers to bring babies. The ladies that came out for the entertainment that I served were lovely, but quite raucous, and why not they were on a evening out.
I have to say VS I am concerned about what you are posting and I am glad that as a TA you are under the instruction of a teacher.
I think your views are wrong in this case, coupled with the fact you read posters comments then have a cup and a giggle very strange.

FannyCornforth

Excellent post Dickens
I agree with everything you say.
(FTR I’m 51 & 1 month old)

... young enough to be my daughter Fanny!

Age may have little to do with this, eh?

One of my grandsons (15 years old) thinks I'm cool - some of my peers think I'm the opposite. Maybe it's a mind-set?

I understand change, we evolve, and thank goodness for that. It doesn't mean that change is necessarily good though, does it? I'm glad we're a more tolerant and inclusive society, I really am, but again, that doesn't mean we can't question some of the assertions and assumptions of progression.

And, sometimes it's hard to actually articulate something that 'feels' wrong because feelings are so subjective. Your gut tells you - no, this isn't right - but the problem is to logically explain why.. My gut instinct tells me that whilst superficially this 'performance' my be harmless fun, there's an underlying suspicion (for me) that it's a slightly devious and cynical attempt to impose a particular cultural change. One that we have every right to question.

Now everyone is talking about me when I leave the room!

How can people call me a troll? I nevermore personal comments

I just don't share some people's opinions and I'm very happy about that

VioletSky

It clearly says the show is aimed at parents with babies who couldn't go out and enjoy a caberet act otherwise.

No one ever held their baby while watching TV after the watershed?

What difference does "drag act" make?

What's the difference between watching this and watching people compete in sports like ice skating, synchronised swimming or gymnastics in skimpy outfits?

Bit of a silly fuss really

Here is my first comment giving my opinion on the matter

It would have been my last comment without the absolute barrage of directed at me

I haven't pulled up anyone personally and said "I disagree with you! [insert personal comment]".

Think about that

Dickens good post (15.47.24)

I just feel that this so called cabaret with alcohol is not appropriate for babies and toddlers.

I am far from being a prude , just cannot put into words why this is wrong.

Bridie22

I do wonder what judgement the parents of the children you have in your care would pass on you VS if they were aware of your views , I for one would not be comfortable leaving my children in your classroom.

This comment is completely out of order, my opinions have nothing to do with my job and I don't discuss my personal opinions with children.

Also, I'm respected in my role and I would do my absolute best to support any child to reach their full potential... which is within the realms of phonics, maths, fine and gross motor skills and social and emotional development.

For which I'm very trained and take on extra training in my own time.

I would never say something like this to anyone

ExperiencedNotOld

They obviously consider you VioletSky as today’s target. With a jab at me - unnamed - with reference to moral code. I maintain that times and decisions are different due to a different lived experience.

We don't have targets on our backs...

People can try to put then there but it's still not really a reflection on us

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

No VS that was Bridie22’s personal opinion. If she is unhappy with the views that you have expressed in your personal opinion, then she has a right to feel uncomfortable with the idea of you being in a classroom with her children.
Equally, I would be uncomfortable with the idea. All your training would make no difference to how I feel after reading some of your posts.
But now I’m going to walk the dog, then come back and have a cup of tea. I know you like a cuppa.

Well as a younger gransnet user, just 2 adult children so far and a child still in primary school myself...

I have quite a lot of young parent friends and aquatances and my personal opinions are about where everyone else's are so I'm not sure it's going to cause me issues

The wider public seem not to want this type of ‘entertainment’ either as the 2 women promoters have pulled the next planned show. (Show being the operative word I think!).

And that is my genuine opinion

It's not shared to bait anyone and I would always have been happy to have a polite discussion about it

Have we identified the age range of those commenting?

Very very few younger people would ever look at a Daily Mail article without some sort of arm twisting

Iam64

Experienced not old - being 64 so younger than some of us doesn’t mean you’re more forward thinking in your moral code. It means your moral code is unacceptable to the majority.

How anyone can look at this and not see the risks is beyond me

I can see the risk in my lived 64 years way. What I’m saying is that those half my age or less may apply different moral judgement. That does damn them, that attempts to understand why that group of parents have made a different choice. That, to me, is a fair and reasonable response and that search for some understanding does deserve to be shouted down.

Oops … doesn’t deserve….

I think you made a good point ENO

toscalily

Well VS did say in the past:
*When I've had enough of gransnet, I just comment more to be annoying*

Yes, when I suggested that could be the case on this thread, my post got deleted 🤣🤣🤣

VioletSky

VioletSky

It clearly says the show is aimed at parents with babies who couldn't go out and enjoy a caberet act otherwise.

No one ever held their baby while watching TV after the watershed?

What difference does "drag act" make?

What's the difference between watching this and watching people compete in sports like ice skating, synchronised swimming or gymnastics in skimpy outfits?

Bit of a silly fuss really

Here is my first comment giving my opinion on the matter

It would have been my last comment without the absolute barrage of directed at me

I haven't pulled up anyone personally and said "I disagree with you! [insert personal comment]".

Think about that

I've not attacked you, nor talked about you - and wouldn't.

Superficially, your argument makes sense regarding skimpy costumes worn in swimming, ice-skating, etc.

It's not about the skimpy costumes though really is it? Drag and Bondage have a sexual element - that's what makes them interesting to adults.

I'm not going to elaborate because it should be fairly obvious.

How you introduce toddlers and upwards to the adult world of sex, sexual fantasy, etc matters - because they are impressionable.

You might watch 'drag' on TV - sanitised for public consumption - with a child dandling on your knee... would you take them into a Club performing similar acts - bearing in mind it would "go over their heads"? I doubt it - there's a reason for an age restriction... and it's not just to do with children being noisy distractions.

Oh, and when it comes down to the welfare of babies / toddlers/ children - debating an issue like this is never a "bit of a silly fuss".

What sort of woman, person, think these drag acts are suitable for babies, as an adult we make our own decisions, but I would question the integrity of a teacher or parent who thought such a spectacle suitable entertainment for baby. I wouldn’t want a teacher or anyone looking after my babies or young children who think this ok. It is important what values these people have, they are influencers, these views are sordid and you can’t separate your views completely 24/7. I find the act by Sam Smith in his bondange gear sickening and vile , I only just glanced at it after what my granddaughter said. It shows what’s in his mind most of the time, we don’t want it in our adolescents minds to give out the message, it’s normal, no wonder race and abuse us so common now. We see stars dressed in nothing but a veil of chiffon, passing as clothes as it’s what some of the public want, you see everything, what message is all this sexually exploitive behaviour sending out, that women have no value for their bodies that’s what. If you object you are told to get with it. Why? I hope someone sees sense and ban those shows for babies, the people responsible for it, they need looking into, I would expect them to be dismissed.

I believe the age range on mumsnet is quite vast... maybe you could look at their opinions on this subject .

VS: ‘I would never say anything about this to anyone’

Why not?
By ‘anyone’, I’m thinking that you don’t just mean the kids.
That is, are you saying that wouldn’t be secure in discussing your views with colleagues, parents, representatives of outside agencies etc?

When I was a TA (sorry - I know this will annoy you!) my colleagues knew all about my opinions!

Dickens

My comment came before others and I was referring to the article as a silly fuss.

I don't think any babies will be harmed by what is basically some sort of interpretive dance and I think it's the parents responsibility and not my place to judge them, so I don't.