New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

Katie59

MaizieD

I can see, Katie59 that the people (not 'illegals', Katie, people) who risk their lives crossing the most dangerous stretch of water in Europe are a highly diverse set and all that your language is doing is 'othering' and dehumanising them.

None of them have to risk their lives crossing the channel to get Asylum. - a place of safety

They choose to do it because they are convinced they would be better off in the UK than elsewhere, others will be forced by the gangs to make the crossing

Just thank your lucky stars, Katie59 that you will never be in their position. Stripped of home, livelihood and dehumanised.

Kandinsky

*Can anyone explain where all these people are going to be held whilst waiting export*

Maybe they’ll build a great big building next to your house Whitewavemark2?

you could offer to house & feed some of them too? help keep costs down.

I’m sure you’d be only too delighted.

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My child works at a hotel which has been taken over by Border Farce. The vast majority of the people put up there are young, male Albanians, not at risk of any kind of persecution at home. They're economic migrants at best, criminals in many cases.

It's very tricky. We have limited resources for our own people and cannot afford to house, educate and provide healthcare and welfare to so many extra people. Setting up asylum processing centres in France might allow a legitimate few more through, but the vast majority would be rejected, and then would still try to cross by illegal means. How do we stop this?

07/03/2023 08:22 Casdon

Perhaps he’s thinking of creating a giant holding camp somewhere, and putting a facility for people to apply for asylum in the UK from there. If it’s grim enough, which it would be, the thinking is possibly that rather than be deported there, people won’t attempt to come to the UK at all, they will choose other countries, so the issue will disappear. Of course it won’t work.

Nope he isn’t as the new bill states anyone entering the UK in small boats will be deported AND face a LIFETIME ban on seeking asylum in the UK ! It’s utterly barbarically and unworkable and won’t stop the traffickers who just don’t give a damn about the refugees and no one wants to see these folks coming over here risking their lives in this way. We need lots of support from France and this isn’t going to happen despite our esteemed government wasting millions of pounds paying France to police things better.

It’s a big hot mess !!

Incidentally, there’s nothing wrong with legitimate economic migrates, us Brits have done this for years, working and living in many places abroad and calling ourselves ex-pats !!!

Also there is a proportion of Albanians coming here but by no means the large proportion the media/govt would have us believe and whilst they are economic migrants, most of them are NOT criminals other than entering this country illegally. We are also nowhere near taking as many refugees as at least 10 other countries ahead of us. Lots and lots of propaganda spread about asylum seekers and much racism around this subject. We have plenty of resources left in this country to look after both our “own” people and offer asylum to a proportion of others. Much of our land is still owned by the crown and our governments choose how to waste our taxpayers cash ! We are still in the top ten richest economic countries and should show more compassion

At the moment, we are spending £5.6 million a DAY housing illegal migrants in hotels. This is unsustainable. We have accepted many people escaping Hong Kong and refugees from Ukraine and we should accept as many genuine refugees as possible, but we cannot accept everyone who wants to come here. There is a huge difference between 'need' and 'want'. Boat people are not being persecuted by the Taliban or anyone else in France or Germany etc. And the largest group of boat people are from Albania...
Our system has got to have a complete overhaul, but until that's done, we should send the boat people back to where they have come from. If we don't get a grip on this, we might just as well build a bridge and let the whole world come.

I do wonder if this is just down to money being spent on migrants rather than at the migrants themselves. Maybe if they were housed and jobs found to then pay back what's been spent? Could we all be then more tolerant?

And those people who are vocal about allowing all who want to enter our country to come in, open up your home to a few. A spare bedroom? Offer it up. Lots of us have already done this for real refugees who really need refuge in a safe place - not those who have arrived on our shores with no proper documentation or need.
Sorry - rant over....

It won’t and won’t stop them!
Perhaps they should give them their own mini counties to run,..
plenty of space say small area in Australia and other large countries
They forget we’re only a small island .. bloody ridiculous .

its a dead cat strategy, the tories want to take attention away from the dire state of the NHS, education, cost of living crisis so they create a scenario where immigrants are seen as the baddies, not the gov't, or they'd do the sensible thing and let people apply from Calais.

spabbygirl

its a dead cat strategy, the tories want to take attention away from the dire state of the NHS, education, cost of living crisis so they create a scenario where immigrants are seen as the baddies, not the gov't, or they'd do the sensible thing and let people apply from Calais.

Yes

This bill is there to enhance previous propaganda. In answer to the OP's question, it won't work because it can't.

Did anyone hear, on "Today", the evidence that has been given in a trial in the USA about what was being said behind the scenes in Fox News at the time rhetoric was spewed out saying the election had "been stolen"? It seems they knew the truth. Evidence has been produced about their discussions. But they continued with "the message" because it appealed to their voter profile.

This is what is going on with the government and asylum seekers. They know the problems. They know they are not created by asylum seekers but by their government. They say these things because they think one more lie will win them a few more votes.

I cannot see that it is anything but a distraction strategy because it will never pass legal scrutiny. There are other more humanitarian options for the government to take if they wish, which have been outlined previously.

Refugees love their families as much as we do, and I don’t suppose they want to put their lives at risk in rubber boats in a busy shipping line, if there was a safer route.

Milliedog

At the moment, we are spending £5.6 million a DAY housing illegal migrants in hotels. This is unsustainable. We have accepted many people escaping Hong Kong and refugees from Ukraine and we should accept as many genuine refugees as possible, but we cannot accept everyone who wants to come here. There is a huge difference between 'need' and 'want'. Boat people are not being persecuted by the Taliban or anyone else in France or Germany etc. And the largest group of boat people are from Albania...
Our system has got to have a complete overhaul, but until that's done, we should send the boat people back to where they have come from. If we don't get a grip on this, we might just as well build a bridge and let the whole world come.

Totally and absolutely agree with you Milliedog!

Yes I heard it DaisyAnne and I suspect similar happens here, especially in the press.

“Boat people” Very dehumanising.

The new bill will never work, and the people that had to write it know that but their hands are tide full stop.

Kandinsky

*Can anyone explain where all these people are going to be held whilst waiting export*

Maybe they’ll build a great big building next to your house Whitewavemark2?

you could offer to house & feed some of them too? help keep costs down.

I’m sure you’d be only too delighted.

or Gary Lineker could take them in.....

Only about 0.6% of our popn are refugees and asylum seekers and going by the number of hospitality and crop picking jobs going we need them! Don't believe all you read in the media who love nothing better than to stir up trouble, I'm not saying there aren't problems that need solving but don't panic!

orly

Kandinsky

Can anyone explain where all these people are going to be held whilst waiting export

Maybe they’ll build a great big building next to your house Whitewavemark2?

you could offer to house & feed some of them too? help keep costs down.

I’m sure you’d be only too delighted.

or Gary Lineker could take them in.....

They're going to put them in a concentration camp. You'll like that, won't you?

“Just thank your lucky stars, Katie59 that you will never be in their position. Stripped of home, livelihood and dehumanised.”

How on earth can you”humanise” tens of thousands, I have every sympathy with those that are displaced as individuals and the genuine refugees are not a problem for me.

The economic migrants especially those brought here for criminal purposes should be sent back.

Thankyou for that link Wyllow, and we’ll said Cossy (today, 11.34).

The economic migrants especially those brought here for criminal purposes should be sent back

I'm not for one moment saying that they shouldn't be, Katie59. But they have to get here first, mixed up with the bona fide refugees as they are,, and be processed before we can send them back.

If the government would look at sensible solutions, like processing centres in France, as the French offered and setting on and training more staff to process applications so that they weren't left in limbo for so long, then the demand for smugglers would be greatly reduced, if not stopped altogether and we wouldn't have to spend so much money housing people while they wait to be dealt with.

It saddens me that people don't seem to understand that legal solutions to the problem exist and that the government is ignoring them because stirring up anti refugee feelings is much more politically convenient for them.

orly

Kandinsky

Can anyone explain where all these people are going to be held whilst waiting export

Maybe they’ll build a great big building next to your house Whitewavemark2?

you could offer to house & feed some of them too? help keep costs down.

I’m sure you’d be only too delighted.

or Gary Lineker could take them in.....

Gary Lineker has hosted refugees in his home I believe from Pakistan and Turkey.

From the Guardian today:

“Where does France lay the blame?
Besides the smugglers, Paris sees the UK government’s decision to close most legal routes for asylum seekers to reach the UK or to register their claims from outside the country as a major contributing factor.

Darmanin has also blamed the lack of national identity cards and a poorly controlled labour market in Britain, saying the ease with which people can work illegally is a significant pull factor, and criticised Britain’s immigration procedures.”

So ... ID cards anyone??