New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

I'd love to know where these migrants are going to be housed. It appears locals aren't keen on empty military bases being used:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/08/james-cleverly-criticises-plans-to-house-asylum-seekers-in-braintree

I remember when that site was used as an RAF base and the locals didn't like that either because sometimes the RAF personnel had too much to drink in the local pubs and used to chat up girls. Hmm ...

So maybe the people in deprived areas, who don't like asylum seekers being dumped on them, should ask why they're not being distributed more widely ... and why the people are having to wait so long to have their applications processed.

I guess if they voted for a Conservative MP, somebody might have some influence, like Braintree does. That couldn't be a plan, could it?

I shall add a tub of Ben and Jerrys ice cream to my shopping this week.

Has anyone seen their tweet absolutely scathing of the governments illegal immigration bill?

Huge improvements to the NHS, rated one of the best health services in the world by 2010

Just don't mention Stafford Hospital.

People whose relatives died in there needlessly might disagree with you.

Callistemon
Let’s never forget the horror of it. 😡

How will it work?
It won't.

I haven’t seen Ben and Jerry comment on this bill.
They did tweet last year.

they have drove that woman who fought it all, away too (Stafford hospital that is)

According to the political editor of the I dependent:

Macron to reject plea for a small boats returns agreement after the UK disregarded his call to establish more safe and legal routes.

French sources made clear his position has not waivered. “The general assessment has not changed,” they said. “You can’t solve the issue only with more police on the coast.”

So now right-wing Tories can add the French to their ‘people to blame for our uselessness’ list.

So far, the only political support I’ve seen for this policy comes from Fascists in Italy.

How do people actually immigrate to UK. Surely there is a system. The people who arrive by the small boats from especially France are not refugees, they have refuge in France, a safe country. Many will have travelled through other safe countries before embarking across the Channel illegally. Yes, they may ultimately wish to immigrate to UK and rather than risk their life and pay a smuggler thousands of pounds should they not use the money to establish citizenship in EU. and then apply for UK. Is that all too simplistic an interpretation of a refugee and how a person can apply to live in UK.

4allweknow
Two of the biggest pulls when wanting to come here is language and the black economy.
It’s a lot harder to work under the radar in most other European countries.

Putting a slightly different spin on this, if people currently being exploited by criminal gangs can be deterred by the rule that they will not be able to apply for asylum, nor return to the UK in the future, they may think twice about risking their lives to get here by illegal means. Once in the hands of these gangs you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be ’jobs’ here organised by the same gangs forcing them into modern slavery. In these circumstances they cannot escape, complain or have any kind of protection. They will be severely traumatised but have no access to mental or physical health services, and in effect be stepping from one nightmare to another. Instead of paying millions to the French government to stop the people leaving, it would be better for the British government to arrange processing in France where there is no immediate risk of persecution. It involves a longer wait to get here, but surely that is worthwhile in the knowledge that they will be properly supported at the end of their journey. It seems that the majority of immigrants are young men coming from Albania for economic reasons and that detracts from the chances of people genuinely needing a safe haven.

Grantanow it has worked in Australia for years.

People smuggling is a big industry, the people running it don't give a toss about their clients. Its all about making money and once they're on the boats their is no recourse...disgusting trade.

Coco51
Most of those young Albanians are here to work in the drug trade. Once upon a time they would smuggle cannabis into this country from their own home grown crop.
At this time it was the Vietnamese who took over buildings and grew the plants here. Now the Albanians have pushed out the Vietnamese.
Some time ago they became the leaders in cocaine smuggling and selling. They need all these young men to run these huge business's
They have such a hold I don’t think we are going to stop them, small boats or no small boats.

MerylStreep

Coco51
Most of those young Albanians are here to work in the drug trade. Once upon a time they would smuggle cannabis into this country from their own home grown crop.
At this time it was the Vietnamese who took over buildings and grew the plants here. Now the Albanians have pushed out the Vietnamese.
Some time ago they became the leaders in cocaine smuggling and selling. They need all these young men to run these huge business's
They have such a hold I don’t think we are going to stop them, small boats or no small boats.

"Most of those young Albanians are here to work in the drug trade."

Unbelievable tarring all with the same brush. What prejudice. Where's your evidence?

Wyllow3

MerylStreep

Coco51
Most of those young Albanians are here to work in the drug trade. Once upon a time they would smuggle cannabis into this country from their own home grown crop.
At this time it was the Vietnamese who took over buildings and grew the plants here. Now the Albanians have pushed out the Vietnamese.
Some time ago they became the leaders in cocaine smuggling and selling. They need all these young men to run these huge business's
They have such a hold I don’t think we are going to stop them, small boats or no small boats.

"Most of those young Albanians are here to work in the drug trade."

Unbelievable tarring all with the same brush. What prejudice. Where's your evidence?

The NCA.

???

From the NCA one day ago.

"Most are by women and children. The National Crime Agency (NCA) has said some Albanian migrants falsely claim to be victims of trafficking, using standard letters to apply for help. In 2022, 13% of Albanians - 1,719 people - who arrived in small boats were referred to the National Referral Mechanism for modern slavery."

Where's the "all come to work in the drug trade?"

4allweknow

How do people actually immigrate to UK. Surely there is a system. The people who arrive by the small boats from especially France are not refugees, they have refuge in France, a safe country. Many will have travelled through other safe countries before embarking across the Channel illegally. Yes, they may ultimately wish to immigrate to UK and rather than risk their life and pay a smuggler thousands of pounds should they not use the money to establish citizenship in EU. and then apply for UK. Is that all too simplistic an interpretation of a refugee and how a person can apply to live in UK.

Using that logic, they should all remain in Italy, Greece, Turkey or Spain.

It's a total myth that people have to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach.

So invest in looking at claims more quickly! It's true that more claims from Albanians are rejected than from other countries, so process the claims quickly and deport them. Give visas to those with a genuine claim and get them working - many have useful skills the country needs.

I honestly think the government wants this particular "war" to rumble on until the next election - certainly until the local elections in May.

How can claims by people with no papers and maybe speaking no English be properly, let alone quickly, processed? There is no way of proving who they are or where they came from.

Wyllow3
Where’s my evidence?
Hilarious 😂 do you seriously think I’m going to post his name and address. The naivety of some posters where these people are concerned is breathtaking.

MerylStreep

Wyllow3
Where’s my evidence?
Hilarious 😂 do you seriously think I’m going to post his name and address. The naivety of some posters where these people are concerned is breathtaking.

So no evidence then.

The crime reports in our local newspaper all too often feature Albanians, very often in relation to growing and selling drugs and also violence. Evidence which has been placed before the court and judged to be accurate is enough for me.

I live a few miles from MerylStreep and the criminal gangs are definitely predominantly Albanian.

This is an interesting report

www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-63473022

I'm baffled though by Turkey, India and Egypt. Could people from these countries not book a flight? Sorry if I am being naive, I just don;t understand why they could not access travel via mainstream means

Also, I'm sorry if this has been mentioned but children from Albanian heritage are going 'missing too' and there are specific problems.

balkaninsight.com/2023/01/25/concerns-grow-about-albanian-children-missing-in-uk/

Germanshepherdsmum

How can claims by people with no papers and maybe speaking no English be properly, let alone quickly, processed? There is no way of proving who they are or where they came from.

Some asylum seekers do have papers and the Home Office uses native speakers to assess where a person comes from. For example, if somebody claims to come from Afghanistan but can't speak Pashto or Dari or any of the other languages spoken in Afghanistan, alarm bells will ring. Afghans speak a number of different languages, depending where they come from. The native speakers will even be able to spot regional dialects. Moreover, many of the asylum seekers from Afghanistan can speak English. The reason they're having to seek asylum is because they worked with the British and American forces and are targets. Eritreans can often speak English too because it's taught in secondary schools.