New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

GrannyGravy13

I live a few miles from MerylStreep and the criminal gangs are definitely predominantly Albanian.

According to a friend who works for Essex Police, the reason is that areas of South Essex and Southend have a reputation for drugs. Albanians tend to take over existing criminal networks rather than starting up new ones.

Don't shoot the messenger - that's what I was told! I suspect the access to London and the coast helps them.

It isn't an Essex coast problem, it's a coastal areas problem (maybe more problematic on the East coast)

I live in Norfolk. The Albanians are a problem in some of the poorer Norfolk and Suffolk coastal towns but also inland. Norwich for instance.

JaneJudge

It isn't an Essex coast problem, it's a coastal areas problem (maybe more problematic on the East coast)

Agreed. I think it doesn't help that south Essex has a high population density and easy access to London and the Channel. There are also quiet beaches, where it's quite easy to land undetected. I expect it is an issue in other areas, but it just happens to be the one I was told about.

Germanshepherdsmum

I live in Norfolk. The Albanians are a problem in some of the poorer Norfolk and Suffolk coastal towns but also inland. Norwich for instance.

The whole eastern coast has inadequate protection. I expect Norwich is a magnet because it's densely populated - there's not much point being a drug dealer in an area where few people live.

I'm baffled though by Turkey, India and Egypt. Could people from these countries not book a flight? Sorry if I am being naive, I just don;t understand why they could not access travel via mainstream means

The short answer is they don’t get given the choice.

Mainstream international travel requires a passport , which lots of refugees don’t have, and often can’t get from their first country of arrival. Even when they do, for most nationalities travel to another country requires a visa, obtained in your home country before you leave it. Embassies in refugee first arrival places like Turkey don’t have the resources to offer visas as the scale that would be needed. No visa, no boarding.

The longer answer, for the EU (other countries have an equivalent) is that there is an EU Directive (the Carrier Sanctions Directive 2001/51/EC) that imposes sanctions on carriers – such as airline companies – if they transport passengers that are not in possession of valid travel documents. Fines can be up to €500k.

A clause in the Directive does say that signatory countries airlines/other carriers should take account of obligations under the 1951 Geneva Convention, which means airlines etc shouldn’t prevent asylum seekers from travelling. But - and it’s a massive but - that means check-in staff are left to decide, in just a few minutes, whether someone is a genuine asylum seeker (never illegal) or an illegal immigrant, and not surprisingly, they err on the side of caution.

To help staff decide, most EU countries have asylum/immigration experts at the airports and ports, but they can only advise, and there are no benefits to airlines etc in taking that advice, and high financial. risk if it’s wrong, so again, erring on the side of caution wins.

I honestly think the people who are happy to welcome endless illegals coming here in small boats should be made to pay for them ( housing, healthcare, etc etc, )
The vast majority of people in this country are fed up with the strain they’re putting on our resources - I certainly am.
Well done Tories for at least trying to do something.

JaneJudge
I’m probably wrong, again 😉, but the children are being used in the cannabis farms
They are more malleable than young men/ adults. They are fed and watered and given a nice smart phone to entertain themselves.
Many of these children will have grown up cultivating the plants in the huge fields in Albania.
But I have no evidence to prove this 😄

👏👏👏 Kandinsky.

Meryl Streep, why post something contentious without evidence.?
Do you know what nationality these children are ? If so, how do you know ?. In fact,are they children at all or adults who are slight of build.
~Isn't it called clutching at straws ?

Children are classed as under 18, it is easy for a small 20yr old to claim to be under 18 to get better treatment, that is exactly what is happening, there are of course some genuinely under 18 yrs.

westendgirl

Meryl Streep, why post something contentious without evidence.?
Do you know what nationality these children are ? If so, how do you know ?. In fact,are they children at all or adults who are slight of build.
~Isn't it called clutching at straws ?

Whether she is right or wrong I do not know.

But, having been on the site for only two months, I keep coming across

"I think there are unwritten gransnet rules" - Gransnet set the rules not gransnetters.

"I demand/want evidence" - a poster is under no rule or obligation to post any.

"poor form" - again, irrelevant.

Life is bad/hard enough/full of rules for some, without there being an extra layer of rules on top, imposed by strangers.

I suspect though that all this has been going on for decades.

And quite frankly, I take more notice of some posters posts[dont know MerylStreep well enough on here yet] and what they say, ie anecdotal, than a lot of research.
And I speak having a close relative well into research. And research about a topic that sometimes comes up on GN.
Research may not be exactly what and how some posters think it is.

Sky News report regarding U.K. and France meeting today

I read that and first I thought "great" and then read it again and wondered what it's about.

I understand it's a detention centre, possibly like the one France had a few years ago. It won't be a place where the UK can start to process claims.

Presumably it means France can round people up - then what? Some of the people will have a legitimate claim to asylum. Will they be granted asylum in France?

One of the main reasons people give for wanting to come to the UK rather than another country is because they have friends/family already in the UK and/or they can speak English rather than French or German, so are people going to be denied any opportunity to come to the UK?

I read it in a similar way thinking "processing centre" and then realising it said "detention centre". Very sad.

It distracts those the government wants to distract from the real problems; those of their making, I suppose.

Just said on Sky News that in the U.K. we can detain people in centres indefinitely but in France there’s a time limit on how long they can be detained. That will cause problems I would imagine unless the government gets its act together regarding processing*people.
* I HATE using that term….

Yes I thought “processing centre” and was pleased they were starting to get a grip at last, but no, just another way to pull up the drawbridge.

So, they're 'detained' in France. Then what?

Seems a step forward but what next?

We cannot have assylum seekers waiting a year or more for their claims to be assessed . That is unacceptable -for them and for the UK taxpayer.

Most, when assessed will be given leave to remain and will therefore be allowed to work.

Dealing with these claims should be top priority.

Kandinsky

I honestly think the people who are happy to welcome endless illegals coming here in small boats should be made to pay for them ( housing, healthcare, etc etc, )
The vast majority of people in this country are fed up with the strain they’re putting on our resources - I certainly am.
Well done Tories for at least trying to do something.

Strange that Braverman* (and you) tell us that the vast majority of people in this country agree with her policy because she doesn’t speak for me. Or anyone I know. It appalls me that the rest of the world are being told that I agree with it.
*in parliament the other day

A report by Prof. Thom Brooks published last month lays the blame squarely on Brexit. Failure to negotiate returns agreements after leaving the EU.

It contains some interesting data.

It can be download here:

papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4351994

MayBee70

Just said on Sky News that in the U.K. we can detain people in centres indefinitely but in France there’s a time limit on how long they can be detained. That will cause problems I would imagine unless the government gets its act together regarding processing*people.
* I HATE using that term….

It would actually be processing the claims MayBee. Keep reminding yourself of that as it feels like a good thing.

If they were processing the people I fear we would have gone even further down the road towards the straight-arm salute.

DaisyAnne

MayBee70

Just said on Sky News that in the U.K. we can detain people in centres indefinitely but in France there’s a time limit on how long they can be detained. That will cause problems I would imagine unless the government gets its act together regarding processing*people.
* I HATE using that term….

It would actually be processing the claims MayBee. Keep reminding yourself of that as it feels like a good thing.

If they were processing the people I fear we would have gone even further down the road towards the straight-arm salute.

I don't see anything in the Sky News report that GG13 posted about processing claims. Just detention to keep people away from the coast.

As others said in subsequent posts, I'm disappointed it's for detention, not for processing claims.

If you have a source that says that it is for claim processing I'm sure we'd all be glad of a link to it.

MaizieD

DaisyAnne

MayBee70

Just said on Sky News that in the U.K. we can detain people in centres indefinitely but in France there’s a time limit on how long they can be detained. That will cause problems I would imagine unless the government gets its act together regarding processing*people.
* I HATE using that term….

It would actually be processing the claims MayBee. Keep reminding yourself of that as it feels like a good thing.

If they were processing the people I fear we would have gone even further down the road towards the straight-arm salute.

I don't see anything in the Sky News report that GG13 posted about processing claims. Just detention to keep people away from the coast.

As others said in subsequent posts, I'm disappointed it's for detention, not for processing claims.

If you have a source that says that it is for claim processing I'm sure we'd all be glad of a link to it.

OOPs. have I misread or misunderstood your post, DaisyAnne?

I do apologise if I have.