New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

Working with the French, and doing anything else that will put off small boatloads crossing the Channel is the right thing to do.It’s gone on too long already.

GrannyGravy13

Germanshepherdsmum

I know Meryl’s and Sago’s areas and entirely believe what they say. It’s true that some on GN won’t have a word said against immigrants. Presumably they don’t live in areas that are adversely affected by immigrants. There are some areas of Norfolk and Suffolk that I wouldn’t consider going to, such are the problems with gangs of immigrants.

Totally agree regarding Meryl’s area, my GC are not allowed into the town or main seafront on their own (they are teenagers)

I haven’t shopped in the town centre for over 15 years, and no longer take any of the GC to the amusements or rides. Only walk along the pier off season

(I shall drive through it in about 15minutes, always check doors are locked and windows up when going through the shared space )

Perhaps people should think about the political choices they have made over the years which have contributed to these problems by cutting funding to the police and the courts and making it much more difficult for law enforcement agencies to control the behaviour they deprecate.

Legislation is useless if it cannot be enforced...

Indeed!

11:40growstuff

Don't twist my words, I know what you meant. Little digs like some of the other left leaning posters on here. Pathetic in my opinion and so easy to disregard other posters opinions without walking in their shoes or living in places where undocumented illegal young men from different cultures have been dumped upon them and who are harassing their daughters and granddaughters. Or is that OK with you.

Sago, overseas students going 'missing' in their first term at university has always been a thing fwiw

I do think people get 'dumped' in places that are cheaper but this has also been happening for years, especially in the areas surrounding London. Look at places like Rochdale that has very high proportion of children's homes compared to the rest of the population. It does c ause problems when people/children with complex problems are disproportionate in volume to the general local population, especially because of lack of funding from central government. It is ok to acknowledge that.

I would include Border Force and the NCA in the cuts. Few people are really aware what they do because they're not often "in your face", but they've experienced savage cuts since 2010 and can't do their job properly.

Maudi

11:40growstuff

Don't twist my words, I know what you meant. Little digs like some of the other left leaning posters on here. Pathetic in my opinion and so easy to disregard other posters opinions without walking in their shoes or living in places where undocumented illegal young men from different cultures have been dumped upon them and who are harassing their daughters and granddaughters. Or is that OK with you.

Pardon?

I'll come back later and see if that post makes sense.

BTW Careful with your blood pressure!

Sorry MaizieD the blame lies firmly with those who commit the crimes and intimidate people.

Even in the good old days there were never policemen on every corner.

Southend police are very pro-active they have several mobile knife arches along with a constant physical police presence.

MerylStreep

Sago

I live in Hull, as a City we are housing many asylum seekers, local hotels and a large University Hall of residence have been requisitioned by the council.

In the University Halls 34 young men absconded within the first fortnight.
We don’t know who they are or where they are.
A large hotel and wedding venue in a village on the outskirts is now also full of young men in an area with no facilities for them.

Hull is a poor City with many good and kind people, we have supported a lot of Ukrainian refugees, there is a large Kurdish community that have been well accepted and are now very established in the City.

Patience is now running out here, there are just too many, we have massive drug wars , a growing Albanian population, more knife crime and a City Council that is finding ways to accept more and more refugees.

They are all young men, we haven’t seen many families since the first Syrian refugees came over.

There are so many reports in the local paper of these young men having committed crimes, many of them have used cultural differences as an excuse.

I am glad the Sunak has finally done something.

Sago
I hope you have evidence to back up your statements because now, on GN nothing is believed Re immigration.
Nothing personal from me to you but I’ve been doubted/ questioned on several of my posts on this thread.

The problem is that the present system encourages the placement of refugees in depressed areas, because depressed area have the facilities to house them. Hull has many under occupied hotels which lend themselves to housing refugees, because otherwise they would simply be closed and left empty.
If the system changed and asylum seekers were permitted to work whilst their application is being processed they would be unlikely to remain in those areas. They would move to where there is temporary employment.
So you may be right about what is happening. You are wrong in thinking the policy will change anything for Hull. Apart from of course removing the investment the company running the hotels is currently making and cutting the money the refugees currently bring into the council. Which will leave Hull poorer and with many more problems.

11:54growstuff

Maudi

11:40growstuff

Don't twist my words, I know what you meant. Little digs like some of the other left leaning posters on here. Pathetic in my opinion and so easy to disregard other posters opinions without walking in their shoes or living in places where undocumented illegal young men from different cultures have been dumped upon them and who are harassing their daughters and granddaughters. Or is that OK with you.

Pardon?

I'll come back later and see if that post makes sense.

No concerns then about illegal young men harassing young girls and people frightened to go into their town centres because of them. No your from the let them all in brigade.
Carry on with your little digs and innuendos if it makes you feel superior.

GrannyGravy13

Sorry MaizieD the blame lies firmly with those who commit the crimes and intimidate people.

Even in the good old days there were never policemen on every corner.

Southend police are very pro-active they have several mobile knife arches along with a constant physical police presence.

Whatever, GG13.

I'm sure the Southend police are wonderful and not suffering in the least from 13 years of government cuts to state funding.

Out of interest, I just googled 'men harassing girls in southend' and these stories came up

www.clactonandfrintongazette.co.uk/news/south_essex_news/18090118.southend-man-charged-string-offences-including-possession-knife-sexual-assault/

www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/essex-crime-southend-man-charged-7293866

www.echo-news.co.uk/news/19459612.southend-man-accused-sexually-assaulting-three-women/

They all have seemingly British names. There was the story about the chap in the school uniform too but on the first page of google there was nothing about groups of immigrant men

GrannyGravy13

Sorry MaizieD the blame lies firmly with those who commit the crimes and intimidate people.

Even in the good old days there were never policemen on every corner.

Southend police are very pro-active they have several mobile knife arches along with a constant physical police presence.

Ahem! I contribute to the policing of Southend through my council tax. I can't remember the last time I even saw a police officer and the police station was sold a few years ago. The district council doesn't even have one. The district council now pays for a couple of part-time PSCOs and a bicycle. There was a meeting with the Police Commissioner for Essex, who said that we don't need any police That's absolute rubbish because there is still crime, including against people and drugs are a problem, especially county lines, but nothing is ever done about it. We still have to contribute to Southend's police.

Does anybody have application details for the "let them all in" brigade? The application will go straight in the bin, but I'd be interested to read the eligibility criteria.

JaneJudge

Do you think all immigrant men ( & I mean the illegals arriving in small boats ) are all lovely, humble, law abiding citizens who will never commit a crime here?

Be interested in your thoughts.

Contact your local Labour group or write to Starmer they will have the details.

12:31Kandinsky

JaneJudge

Do you think all immigrant men ( & I mean the illegals arriving in small boats ) are all lovely, humble, law abiding citizens who will never commit a crime here?

Be interested in your thoughts.

They do Kandinsky that's the problem. Naive in the extreme.

How do you allow an illegal immigrant to work when they have no papers and nobody knows who they really are or where they originated from? Such people should not be on our streets.

Germanshepherdsmum

How do you allow an illegal immigrant to work when they have no papers and nobody knows who they really are or where they originated from? Such people should not be on our streets.

For a lawyer, you're a bit lax about terminology. An asylum seeker is not illegal.

So would it be OK to allow all those who do have papers to work? Many do, you know.

Exactly.

Just been reading this article in todays Daily Mail.

Plans to house 400 asylum seekers in tiny Welsh village of just 1,500 people are branded 'wholly unsuitable

Around 150 'predominantly male' refugees would be put up in disused hotel
Another 250 would be housed in 'modular accommodation' in its grounds

Those living in the village, which has just 1,500 residents, claim the asylum seekers would almost double the adult population overnight and local services could not cope

I really feel for these people.
How long can this madness go on?

growstuff

If you’re arriving in a boat in the middle of the night - from a perfectly safe country - you’re not legit.

Kandinsky

JaneJudge

Do you think all immigrant men ( & I mean the illegals arriving in small boats ) are all lovely, humble, law abiding citizens who will never commit a crime here?

Be interested in your thoughts.

I said out of interest I googled and no stories came up on the first page at all (I didn't look further) I have already acknowledged there are specific issues relating to Albanians coming here and to France, it is well documented.

I live (and work) in a multi cultural place and some cultures (men) do tend to congregate in groups. I've never had any reason to believe I'm at harm in my own community and I have no idea if they are immigrants or not (white or otherwise)

It's weird how women don't tend to congregate in groups isn't it?

Quite Kandinsky. As far I’m concerned people arriving in the UK other than by legal means are illegal immigrants.