New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

Germanshepherdsmum

Quite Kandinsky. As far I’m concerned people arriving in the UK other than by legal means are illegal immigrants.

That is not what international law says.

Nor' really, what our law says. You're innocent until proved guilty.

I said ‘As far as I’m concerned’, Maizie. I didn’t purport to make a statement on the law.

Aside from misleading remarks by Braverman that there are millions or billions of would-be immigrants heading for the UK there are some completely false social media posts about immigrants getting more benefits than pensioners in the UK. See this Full Fact page for an explanation. These posts are obviously aimed at stirring up anger at refugees and asylum seekers.

fullfact.org/online/pensioners-illegal-immigrants-refugees-benefits/

Germanshepherdsmum

Quite Kandinsky. As far I’m concerned people arriving in the UK other than by legal means are illegal immigrants.

As far as I'm concerned people who call all asylum seekers illegal immigrants are racist bigots (just as far as I'm concerned of course!)

‘The Law’

Is that all you care about?

Do you care about the people suffering due to large numbers of immigrants being housed in their small communities? ( & large ones for that matter ) do you have any sympathy whatsoever for communities whose resources are already stretched to breaking point?
No one wants 100’s of them being housed in hotels 5 minutes from where they live.
These people have a vote.
And although I was certain Labour would win the next election I’m not so sure now.
The next election will be won or lost on the immigration issue.
So let’s just wait & see.

Kandinsky

‘The Law’

Is that all you care about?

Do you care about the people suffering due to large numbers of immigrants being housed in their small communities? ( & large ones for that matter ) do you have any sympathy whatsoever for communities whose resources are already stretched to breaking point?
No one wants 100’s of them being housed in hotels 5 minutes from where they live.
These people have a vote.
And although I was certain Labour would win the next election I’m not so sure now.
The next election will be won or lost on the immigration issue.
So let’s just wait & see.

Why do you think all the asylum seekers are housed in hotels and kept waiting for their status to be approved?
Why can't the government fast track some of them?
Why are they not permitted to work?
Why are they in deprived areas?
You might almost think there was a policy to stir up discontent and unrest. To cover up the awful economic mess the Tories have got us in. But that couldn't possibly be true, could it?

This is why there is a problem with migrants being in hotels

‘Most asylum claims from small boat arrivals are still awaiting a decision; more recent periods will naturally have a higher proportion of asylum applications awaiting a decision, as less time has passed to allow for applications to be processed. 98% (28,529) of small boat asylum applications in the latest year, or 83% (43,476) of all small boat asylum applications since 2018, are awaiting a decision.’

The whole report is well worth a read.
www.gov.uk/government/statistics/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-september-2022/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-september-2022

I am not sure who it was who said it (sorry, been away for a week, and just catching up), but the comparison was made with illegal drugs.

Being unable to stop the evil drugs trade and those who profit from it, it is easier to imprison the addicts, the victims.

This is what we are seeing with people smugglers and their desperate victims.

You all ought to be glad that some effort is being made to preserve your country's borders and your lifestyle. The current government in the United States is wreaking havoc on the public with their open border policy. If you think this constant absorption of people into your country from all and sundry is doable, I invite you to come and live on the southern border or in the southern states of the US and see the horrific consequences. Imagine you live on the border of Scotland and, for whatever reason, Scots and people from all over the world are flooding into your part of the country. They are destroying property, killing livestock, robbing, looting, and killing anyone who stands in their way. Then they move into the interior and southern part of the country. In every large city where they arrive, they are given sanctuary and the governments of those cities do not prosecute them when they commit crimes. Eventually, homeless camps arise and the cities become unlivable. You think that can't happen to right-minded liberal cities? Check out New York City and how many people are leaving. People are flooding out of California. People are leaving Portland, Oregon, etc. where they never met a tax they didn't love and they embrace every crack pot social idea that comes down the line. What they don't seem to realize is, if they take their voting and social sentiments with them, they will wind up living the same kind of life. It is affecting the poor and middle classes in an unbelievable way. Only the wealthy can't afford to escape this, but even these people don't want to stay in New York or like places. The subways are full of graffiti, and you take your life in your hands to travel on them. San Francisco and other such places are littered with needles, fecal material, and some pretty unsavory people. With these people come the dreaded fentanyl and people trafficking, kidnapping, etc. Our liberals and socialists just keep throwing money at these problems and excusing the takeover of city streets and the persecution of local citizens. In Seattle, they called it the Summer of Love. 🙄 People lost their businesses, were attacked, and threatened constantly.

Sorry, only the wealthy CAN afford to escape this.

Germanshepheardsmum &GrannyGravey
How true. My grandson sold his bike ( he’s 16) because it’s one that the county line scroats want.
Neither grandchildren can go into Priory Park which is right on their doorstep. That’s a joke because as you both know you could spit on the police station from there.
Then we have the county line scroats dealing outside Chase Acadamy.
I’ve personally witnessed 3 thefts of phones from peoples hands in the pedestrian area.
I’ve witnessed the proverbial black Audi being pulled over with police carrying guns, twice.

MerylStreep

*Germanshepheardsmum &GrannyGravey*
How true. My grandson sold his bike ( he’s 16) because it’s one that the county line scroats want.
Neither grandchildren can go into Priory Park which is right on their doorstep. That’s a joke because as you both know you could spit on the police station from there.
Then we have the county line scroats dealing outside Chase Acadamy.
I’ve personally witnessed 3 thefts of phones from peoples hands in the pedestrian area.
I’ve witnessed the proverbial black Audi being pulled over with police carrying guns, twice.

Our Godson is a police officer working on County Lines, it is really scary out there…

Having just driven home from that nice hotel on the seafront there were numerous PSCOs along with Police Officers along the central shared space section

I think some of the sympathisers have to live with this to understand it, I’m lucky that I don’t live with it, simply read the crime reports in the local paper, but my husband is saddened to see what has become of the town of which he was so fond.

How nice to see that not all on GN are liberal snowflakes

Oh my, incredible and sophisticated understanding of social and political forces at work.
Just bung a label on.

Job done?

I’m proud to be backing Lineker and from what I can see I’m in good company, and wouldn’t like to be chums with some of the well known who aren’t 😱

“Snowflakes unite”.

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Jut listen to the catch up on R4 Any Answers, Farzanah you will find we are in good if very varied company. Few devoted "snowflakes", but a lot of very thoughtful people with a variety of standpoints.

Using the term "snowflakes" is simply lazy and shorthand for a whole range of very very complex social and cultural views.

Not just that - its so over used its lost its power unless you belong to a small group of people who just dont want to face complexity or change or acceptance of diversity and progress..

Wyllow3

Jut listen to the catch up on R4 Any Answers, Farzanah you will find we are in good if very varied company. Few devoted "snowflakes", but a lot of very thoughtful people with a variety of standpoints.

Using the term "snowflakes" is simply lazy and shorthand for a whole range of very very complex social and cultural views.

Not just that - its so over used its lost its power unless you belong to a small group of people who just dont want to face complexity or change or acceptance of diversity and progress..

I am pro diversity and progress.

I am anti not knowing who is entering the U.K. and why.

I am anti Suella Braverman’s proposed Bill.

This issue will never affect Gary Lineker.

He can afford to think the way he does - from the comfort of his 4 million pound mansion in Surrey.

GrannyGravy13 we need safe routes for genuine refugees: we need to clear the backlog.
Yes I also want to know who enters the UK, its a matter of resourcing so we can effectively but compassionately do it.

what sticks me about Braverman is the similarity of the rhetoric to Enoch Powell - "rivers of blood et al" and at the time, we'd even invited the wind rush generation to come here to work!

why can Braverman not see that we have potentially some much needed workers in our country and give the who can contribute access to those vital jobs? Just defeats me her thinking.

BTW, I don't think it will get past the HoL nor juridical challenges. I think its IS a cynical attempt to win votes in the worst kind of way - creating hate and division.

I think GL speaking up is just the tip of the iceberg and many will follow.

Wyllow3 we never invited the Windrush generation. That's an absolute myth. The West indies had lots of unemployment and asked if we would take them

thebarnetgroup.org/tbg/uk-black-history-the-windrush-generation/

"During World War Two, many thousands of Caribbean workers had contributed to the war effort either as volunteers in the armed forces or technicians, and while some remained, the majority were de-mobbed and returned to the colonies. After the war ended in May 1945, more than three thousand Caribbean men decided to remain in Britain.

Following World War Two, there was a serious shortage of labour in Britain. To help rebuild the economy, an estimated 1.3 million workers were needed. The British Nationality Act 1948 allowed those from Jamaica and Barbados, and others living in Commonwealth counties, full rights of entry and settlement in Britain. The British Government invited and actively encouraged “fine young West Indians” to come to the UK to take up the job vacancies that weren’t being filled, and many took up the invitation to work as nurses, midwifes, ancillary workers, cleaners, cooks, and porters, as well as factory labourers or employed in the bus, underground, and rail services. Industries like British Rail and the newly-created National Health Service heavily recruited from the Caribbean – others, such as the Metropolitan Police, rejected applicants because of their ethnicity."

The Tories are targeting the wrong illegal boat people