I’m not counting my chickens

Iam64

I heard Emily Thornberry interviewed yesterday. She was criticised by the interviewer for stating Labour would need two terms to rebuild public services and the economy, for example. Getting your excuses in early, said the interviewer. She dealt with it well I thought, by summarising the awful mess Labour will inherit )if they win)
I’m beyond irritated by the way the tories keep repeating the old nonsense about the joke note saying there was no mo eh left. Claiming Labour can’t be trusted on the economy. This from a party that elected Truss who did more damage in two weeks than anyone thought possible.

I think it will take decades rather than 2 terms to undo the mess that has been made by the Tories ...

Fleurpepper

MayBee70

I’m fine with that. Back in the day when I was more politically active than I am now the Labour Party and LibDems worked closely together in my area. Their values are much closer to Labour than the Conservatives. The coalition with Cameron was a disaster and lessons have been learned from that.

Lib Dems should have never ever have allied with Tories as their values are so so far apart.

Just because they made a mess of this at the time, does not mean they should not make an alliance with Greens and Labour now- and ensure all votes in the GE are tactical. It would also force Keir Starmer to admit that much closer alliance with the eU should take place asap, including rejoining the Single Market, Customs Union and Free Movement. I'd be very happy to vote tactically to make this happen, in my area it would have to be Lib Dem.

Starmer still has work to do to persuade the leave voting "red wall" voters that more co-operation with the EU would be a good idea. I think he's hoping for carrots rather than sticks.

growstuff

Fleurpepper

MayBee70

I’m fine with that. Back in the day when I was more politically active than I am now the Labour Party and LibDems worked closely together in my area. Their values are much closer to Labour than the Conservatives. The coalition with Cameron was a disaster and lessons have been learned from that.

Lib Dems should have never ever have allied with Tories as their values are so so far apart.

Just because they made a mess of this at the time, does not mean they should not make an alliance with Greens and Labour now- and ensure all votes in the GE are tactical. It would also force Keir Starmer to admit that much closer alliance with the eU should take place asap, including rejoining the Single Market, Customs Union and Free Movement. I'd be very happy to vote tactically to make this happen, in my area it would have to be Lib Dem.

Starmer still has work to do to persuade the leave voting "red wall" voters that more co-operation with the EU would be a good idea. I think he's hoping for carrots rather than sticks.

Yes. In fact I think that he won’t make a move until Sunak who it is thought will be forced by economic circumstances to move closer to Europe (again)

That’s an interesting thought Whitewave. It makes sense that Sunak will have to build bridges with Europe, the disaster of Brexit becomes clearer by the day.

What is the actual proportion of seats previously held, now lost, for Tories? Please.

Not sure of proportion but they’ve lost something like 1040 this time around, on top of the disaster a couple of years ago.

So how many did they have before they lost the 1040?

Oh I’ll try to find out. But there are still more results to come. Some aren’t being counted until tomorrow. So they may have lost even more seats.

Does it help to know that Conservatives have 28.59 percent of all seats and Labour 33.25 percent?

That’s not so exciting a difference when you consider the deep economic problems, failing public services etc

I have read in odd news reports that Boris Johnson is urging his merry band to set him up to “save” the Tory Party. That should knock them well out of the ball park. Hopefully never to be seen again.

We have to look at Libs and greens.

Oh and it is over 1060 seats lost before Tuesdays results.

I can’t find the answer to how many seats the Tories held before the election yet though.

Lovetopaint037

I have read in odd news reports that Boris Johnson is urging his merry band to set him up to “save” the Tory Party. That should knock them well out of the ball park. Hopefully never to be seen again.

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The Tories lost a third of their seats in last week’s election compared with the seats they held in 2019 for the same councils, so it was pretty calamitous for them.

It was the best result for Labour in local authority elections since 2002.

I can’t find anything about the actual figures for the Lib Dem’s, but it was excellent results for them too.

It's pointless making projections from local election results in order to try to forecast the outcome of the next General Election. We saw this in 2019, when the Conservatives lost 1,333 seats, yet in the G.E. in the same year they gained 48 seats and Labour lost 60. Pundits refer to the Corbyn effect, but that can't be the whole story. So despite being hammered in the local elections, the Conservatives ended up with a comfortable parliamentary majority of around 80. Those trying to make projections today appear to favour something between a Labour majority of around 20 seats and a hung parliament. Only time will tell, but yes, it's certainly too early for counting our chickens..

I think the 2019 GE result was so bizarre that it's pointless to try to use it to comfort the tories.

I understood there
was only one result left to be decided on Tuesday and that is Teeside, after a third recount in one ward.

There are some extremely dodgy things going on in Teeside and this is just one of them.

What other councils still have to declare?

P.S if you want to know how many seats the tory party had why not add the seats they've lost to the ones the've hung on to?
Or is there a flaw in my maths that I haven't spotted?

I agree Maizie it was bizarre without such an apparent huge desire for Brexit the Tories wouldn't have had an 80 seat majority. Even Boris is said to have remarked what do we do now?

Bbc website
Cons lost 1058
Won 2299
Total 3357
31.5 per cent… can’t remember of what

Lost 31.5 per cent

MaizieD

I understood there
was only one result left to be decided on Tuesday and that is Teeside, after a third recount in one ward.

There are some extremely dodgy things going on in Teeside and this is just one of them.

What other councils still have to declare?

P.S if you want to know how many seats the tory party had why not add the seats they've lost to the ones the've hung on to?
Or is there a flaw in my maths that I haven't spotted?

You’re right, the tally for each party is at the top of this article.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64966933

Quite honestly if you look at the figures, Labour has not captured the castle.

ronib

Quite honestly if you look at the figures, Labour has not captured the castle.

I think that is fair comment. However, the Tories have had a calamitous result. Labour seems to be slow burning forward, whilst the Tories are falling into the precipice at the moment.

So what's likely to make the difference at the G.E. next time around? Boris and his sleaze? Liz Truss' disastrous two weeks? Starmer's apparent desire to distance Labour from the far left? No Jeremy Corbyn in the picture? Or something that hasn't even surfaced yet? A miraculous economic recovery? Someone said that a week is a long time in politics. There's still plenty of time for more bouquets and bombshells.

Liberal Democrats maybe will make an impact in the GE next year? I just feel two party politics has had its time. I know that LDs usually do well in the locals but at moment, there’s a change of mindset?

I always vote for our LD man in local elections because he’s very good with local issues. So does my husband. But we wouldn’t vote LD in a general election. So our votes (and we’re certainly not unique) are no guide to voting patterns in a general election.