Breaking: H & M in Car Chase

Anniebach

The couple have no wish to live their life in peace, they want
Lights, camera, action.

And something to moan over in the next booky wook to justify the big wads of cash from the publisher.
Having read the whole thread seems a bit of a non incident really.If they let the press get some free pics of them instead of charging the mags for using them they may be left alone sometimes.

I agree with you Glorianny that Meghan might be well suited to politics and I would have no objection to her becoming a politician in the USA.
Speaking out for women, supporting them and promoting opinions which highlight women's issues and equality has to be a good thing doesn't it. This would be commendable, but as I mentioned before, so far she has mainly wanted to speak about herself and diss the RF. She would need to stop being so vain.

Vanillasky

^I think the RF probably wanted to keep her quiet. Speaking out isn't something they do.^

I think there is a difference between speaking and speaking out. Does the latter not imply publicising your allegations against those who have wronged you? Meghan's list during her time with the RF is quite long, do the RF probably does want her to keep quiet, not necessarily keep her quiet.

Those she bullied are too dignified to speak out; it's a pity because there is always more than one side to a story and we only have Meghan's Truth, not The Truth.

She is suited to be in politics, she certainly lies.

But actually thinking about this what is wrong with her advancing her career and perhaps choosing to enter politics? She wouldn't be the first actor to do so. She might be the first woman actor. Which actually is good news surely

Well, she'd certainly confuse everyone if she carried on speaking as she did recently.
So yes, she could make a politician 😁

Anyone got their email address?
I'll send this link:

www.plainenglish.co.uk/

Callistemon21

Anyone got their email address?
I'll send this link:

www.plainenglish.co.uk/

Ah, rather than the snide, nasty remarks submitted on this thread on a forum that Meghan would never have heard of, go and be snide and nasty to her face?

This thread, truly -

. . . . . if this were men talking down about a woman like this, what would you call them? What would you think of them? How would you describe them? Sad, maybe, pathetic, probably. All that is called for here is knitting needles and a gallows - my opinion, on a discussion forum.

Vanillasky

I agree with you Glorianny that Meghan might be well suited to politics and I would have no objection to her becoming a politician in the USA.
Speaking out for women, supporting them and promoting opinions which highlight women's issues and equality has to be a good thing doesn't it. This would be commendable, but as I mentioned before, so far she has mainly wanted to speak about herself and diss the RF. She would need to stop being so vain.

That's not actually true. She has I think made one or two speeches about the RF. She's been speaking out about women's issues for much longer and was involved in UN issues in 2015.

I think much on this thread is a vivid illustration of how superficial some people's feminism really is. If a woman speaks out, criticises the RF or dares to have ambition she's fair game. We haven't really moved that far away from burning witches.

LondonMzFitz

Callistemon21

Anyone got their email address?
I'll send this link:

www.plainenglish.co.uk/

Ah, rather than the snide, nasty remarks submitted on this thread on a forum that Meghan would never have heard of, go and be snide and nasty to her face?

This thread, truly -

. . . . . if this were men talking down about a woman like this, what would you call them? What would you think of them? How would you describe them? Sad, maybe, pathetic, probably. All that is called for here is knitting needles and a gallows - my opinion, on a discussion forum.

Oh, what a daft post 😁

No, I'm not being snidey, I'd tell Meghan if I saw her.
It was a garbled speech and she needs to express herself more clearly if she wishes to inspire people.

She never used to do this years ago. Have you ever listened to her?

if this were men talking down about a woman like this, what would you call them? What would you think of them? How would you describe them?

I'd say they are someone who prefers someone to give an articulate and comprehensible speech.

It's irrelevant.

I'd say the same to a man who spoke gobbledegook.

Glorianny

I think much on this thread is a vivid illustration of how superficial some people's feminism really is. If a woman speaks out, criticises the RF or dares to have ambition she's fair game. We haven't really moved that far away from burning witches.

Yes, exactly.
A perfect storm of racism and misogyny. The same people that claim they're standing up for women's rights when they spout anti trans rhetoric.

Marydoll

Calipso

Marydoll

word salad, I love it!

Its long been a recognised medical term Marydoll
Word salad features in some types of brain injury where the speech centre is affected.
Seems to happen to me a bit too when what I say isn't what I meant to say....... 🤪

I apologise, if I caused offence.

No offence at all Marydoll!

It's just such a descriptive phrase that describes both phenomena perfectly. Doesn't really cover my lapses when I think I've said, for example, 'toothpaste' but I've actually said 'orange'

She's been speaking out about women's issues for much longer and was involved in UN issues in 2015

Yes, I've heard/read them.
This speech was not in the same category at all.

Callistemon21

^if this were men talking down about a woman like this, what would you call them? What would you think of them? How would you describe them?^

I'd say they are someone who prefers someone to give an articulate and comprehensible speech.

It's irrelevant.

I'd say the same to a man who spoke gobbledegook.

This exactly.
It does the feminist cause no good at all when someone, anyone, in the public eye stitches together a series of soundbites that sounds pretty but actually is incomprehensible. Someone upthread likened it to The Emperors New Clothes which I think is a good analogy

Glorianny

Vanillasky

I agree with you Glorianny that Meghan might be well suited to politics and I would have no objection to her becoming a politician in the USA.
Speaking out for women, supporting them and promoting opinions which highlight women's issues and equality has to be a good thing doesn't it. This would be commendable, but as I mentioned before, so far she has mainly wanted to speak about herself and diss the RF. She would need to stop being so vain.

That's not actually true. She has I think made one or two speeches about the RF. She's been speaking out about women's issues for much longer and was involved in UN issues in 2015.

And that's the issue Glorianny. No one, this side of the pond, I'm assuming had ever heard of her or her speeches.
It wasn't until 2018 that what she said started to interest people here, and I actually thought her comments then about community and support were pertinent.
Sadly she went and spoilt it all by subsequently dissing the RF in interviews, not speeches.

Glorianny

I think much on this thread is a vivid illustration of how superficial some people's feminism really is. If a woman speaks out, criticises the RF or dares to have ambition she's fair game. We haven't really moved that far away from burning witches.

No! Just because a person believes in feminism, it doesn’t mean that they have to believe everything another woman says, or approve of every action another woman makes. I approve of the good things that women do, but I don’t approve of the actions/words that are bad.
I think it’s a bit silly Glorrianny to think that we’ve not moved on that far from burning witches. That’s exaggeration in its purest form.

maddyone

Glorianny

I think much on this thread is a vivid illustration of how superficial some people's feminism really is. If a woman speaks out, criticises the RF or dares to have ambition she's fair game. We haven't really moved that far away from burning witches.

No! Just because a person believes in feminism, it doesn’t mean that they have to believe everything another woman says, or approve of every action another woman makes. I approve of the good things that women do, but I don’t approve of the actions/words that are bad.
I think it’s a bit silly Glorrianny to think that we’ve not moved on that far from burning witches. That’s exaggeration in its purest form.

Actually it is fine o criticise one speech or a point of view anyone holds, but really the views expressed about Meghan go so much further than that. And much of it is based on the fact that she is a woman, and so is held to different standards.

Witches were condemned for the same reasons, she is, they were different, stood out, they acquired wealth or property, they sought power, they in some way exerted influence on another person. It isn't exaggeration it is simple fact. And the same emotions and condemnation operate here exactly as they once did.

I don't see it as being related to feminism because the regulars on these threads are just as nasty about Prince Harry as they are about Meghan Markle.

It’s nothing to do with her being a woman Glorianny. It’s to do with speaking total nonsense.
I suspect you haven’t studied the sixteenth and seventeenth century witch trials in great depth. I have.

Yeah yeah

It's *always" the DILs fault

It's literally everywhere and completely unmissable

The DIL’s fault???

It's a society wide phenomena

Megan hasn’t got a daughter in law

Really? No problem with my daughter in law. But she doesn’t spout unintelligible rubbish.