Braverman attempts a cover up.

MaizieD I suggest that it’s very important that we have full confidence in all aspects of government including the role of the Civil Service. So how about an investigation into the way leaks are handled and how they happen? Then we could all rest quietly.

ronib

MaizieD I suggest that it’s very important that we have full confidence in all aspects of government including the role of the Civil Service. So how about an investigation into the way leaks are handled and how they happen? Then we could all rest quietly.

You're just changing the subject now.

Address you obsession with civil servants trying to oust MPs.

Not a fan of SB but think it depends on whether she asked if it was POSSIBLE for a private course because of work commitments/security etc or whether she demanded a private course be arranged to avoid publicity.
Too many people in public life seem to think the normal rules of everyday life don't apply to them and imo SB is one of them but who really knows. Another dilemma for RS!

I might have some unique historical experiences of the Civil Service which probably account for my reluctance to see them with your innocence . However a clear impartial investigation of leaks would pacify both of us.

ronib

I might have some unique historical experiences of the Civil Service which probably account for my reluctance to see them with your innocence . However a clear impartial investigation of leaks would pacify both of us.

This goes way beyond a reluctance to see the civil service with what you are claiming is the innocence of others ronib, it’s an obsession you have to put the blame on the civil service without any evidence at all to corroborate what you’re accusing them of. That is not rational. You may turn out to be right, but if you don’t you are going to look foolishly obsessional. Balance is the best approach until we know the facts.

Many people took online courses during Covid and perhaps she thought this was still possible. To put it mildly I'm not a fan of hers (in fact I believe she has made too many mistakes to be allowed to keep her job) but I don't agree with hounding her in this case.

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Many people took online courses during Covid and perhaps she thought this was still possible. To put it mildly I'm not a fan of hers (in fact I believe she has made too many mistakes to be allowed to keep her job) but I don't agree with hounding her in this case.

It is still possible.

The online course lasts 2 hours and 45 minutes and participants aren't given flexibility about the timing, so they're inconvenient for people with a busy work schedule (not just MPs). That's part of the punishment and the price for not receiving points on your licence.

The point is that it was a totally private matter. Strictly speaking, Braverman should not have been using publicly paid civil servants even to ask for advice. I'm not sure how they were supposed to know anyway.

I had to do the online speed awareness course and you can see everyone else who is on it, hear them speak and answer questions.

Also when you are caught speeding you can access your car details and see the photo of you driving and your passenger if you have one online so no getting away with it.

Hence one to one courses are available. If you’re frantically busy who do you ask to look into it?

Golly ronib, you seem to worry that most civil servants start each day with a rousing chorus of The Red Flag.
The two senior civil servants I was acquainted with, plus one junior diplomat, behaved utterly professionally and impartial in their working life, as far as I could see. In private, their political views seemed to have more in common with Vlad the Impaler than Jeremy Corbyn.

Long story… but what is the problem in asking how this particular leak made its way into headline news? I always thought that we had an Official Secrets Act? Or a civil service code of conduct?

I don’t understand why transparency is only one way… but would not want it to turn into an obsession!

Germanshepherdsmum

Hence one to one courses are available. If you’re frantically busy who do you ask to look into it?

You do what every other frantically busy person does and Google information in your own time.

ronib

Long story… but what is the problem in asking how this particular leak made its way into headline news? I always thought that we had an Official Secrets Act? Or a civil service code of conduct?

I don’t understand why transparency is only one way… but would not want it to turn into an obsession!

Nothing wrong with asking the question, but I doubt if anybody on GN knows. Assuming you actually know the answer is another matter.

this gov't don't believe rules apply to them do they?

For those of you who have been defending SB have you forgotten her previous misdemeanors?

The following is from the Independant

"Suella Braverman is facing fresh allegations of ministerial code breaches over her failure to formally disclose years of previous work with the Rwandan government.

The home secretary co-founded a charity called the Africa Justice Foundation with Cherie Blair, which trained Rwandan government lawyers between 2010 and 2015.

Several people the charity worked with are now key members of President Paul Kagame’s government and are involved in the UK’s £140m deal to send asylum seekers to Rwanda.

Ms Braverman did not officially disclose her previous links to the country when appointed home secretary in 2022, despite the deal being a lynchpin of the government’s migration policy and ongoing legal challenges alleging politically-driven human rights violations including torture, murder and kidnappings."

I'm reminded of a friend whose company hire a Nigerian lady to do their books. They eventually realised that money was missing and when she was challenged her response was that it was common in her country and she thought that everybody did in England. She could see noting wrong with her behaviour.

I'm not saying that SB has been cooking the books but she does seem to have the attitude that her action are perfectly reasonable.

It is the Tory party doing the leaks, not the civil service. A good majority of the MPs now see her as a liability and I expect that unless she shuts up or resigns there will be more leaks.

Do buck up.

Ww2 not necessarily the Tory party leaking although I can see why they might. How did the Tory party gain access to this info in the first place?

Does the Home Office have secure computer systems? How easy is it to hack into? …..

I don't think many are interested Dinahmo - I posted the same info (pretty much) with a link, this morning.

Ailidh

Not a fan of SB.

Not a fan of speeding.

Not hugely moved that she wanted to do the course anonymously - it's not as though she tried to duck out of the penalty.

Not a fan of the constant trial by media that dominates our culture.

Absolutely my feelings.

ronib

Ww2 not necessarily the Tory party leaking although I can see why they might. How did the Tory party gain access to this info in the first place?

Does the Home Office have secure computer systems? How easy is it to hack into? …..

You might be better hiring a private detective than asking on GN.

Growstuff just trying to expand the narrative…

NotSpaghetti

I don't think many are interested Dinahmo - I posted the same info (pretty much) with a link, this morning.

I've just been reading about this. I don't think it will be the last revelation.

growstuff

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Many people took online courses during Covid and perhaps she thought this was still possible. To put it mildly I'm not a fan of hers (in fact I believe she has made too many mistakes to be allowed to keep her job) but I don't agree with hounding her in this case.

It is still possible.

Absolutely. I can't honestly see what all the fuss is about. She was speeding. She tried to arrange the course in a way which suited her, but who wouldn't, given the chance? She's paid the fine, taken the points and that should be it. Maybe a bit of a telling-off by Rishi Sunak, but that's all that should be necessary. We're not talking about invading a country on the basis of a lie, or even asking someone else to say they were driving - both of which has happened before, albeit by the 'other side.'