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Any Gnetters at the Rejoin march today in London

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Fleurpepper Sat 23-Sept-23 15:05:02

oh I wish I was there. Looks like a great crowd. The BBC will say there were a handful, of course.

maddyone Sun 24-Sept-23 10:37:00

And incidentally Maizie you do not know that I dislike all protests or protesters. Nor whether I’ve ever been on a protest march.

Fleurpepper Sun 24-Sept-23 10:38:20

Kandinsky

First I’d heard of it & I live in London.
The only protest my local news reported on was the dog ban one. Guess that’s more relevant at the moment.

More relevant? I know you will not believe me, but there is nothing in the UK that is more relevant than the multiple failures of Brexit and the consequences thereof.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 24-Sept-23 10:42:59

Fleurpepper the only time I come across the continual Brexit debate is here on GN

Not in the office, at the school gate, at the gym or when we meet up with friends and family nada, never, non…

Urmstongran Sun 24-Sept-23 10:49:28

It’s a topic very high on your list of anxieties and hopes FP but much less so for many of us.

maddyone Sun 24-Sept-23 10:58:54

Fleurpepper thank you for your response. I was perhaps a little contemptuous of protesters marching about rejoining the EU, apologise if it upset you. I’ve explained in my post of 10.33 why I feel as I do so no need to go over it again, except to reiterate that we absolutely must know the terms of rejoining before we actually rejoined and that is why I felt as I do.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 24-Sept-23 11:09:52

maddyone

Fleurpepper thank you for your response. I was perhaps a little contemptuous of protesters marching about rejoining the EU, apologise if it upset you. I’ve explained in my post of 10.33 why I feel as I do so no need to go over it again, except to reiterate that we absolutely must know the terms of rejoining before we actually rejoined and that is why I felt as I do.

In my opinion the regulations for the U.K. to rejoin the EU would be unthinkable for most. Especially the Euro!

Callistemon21 Sun 24-Sept-23 11:10:34

Fleurpepper

Callistemon21

Both protests attracted hundreds of supporters according to The Guardian, presumably in different areas of London.

Neither were mentioned on the mainstream news.

Hundreds is just nonsense.

I wonder why it never made any of the mainstream news? Orders from above?

And to compare it with the XL pitbull demo is also nonsense- there were many 1000s at the Rejoin march, from all over the UK.

I am glad you had a good time maddyone- but why be so unpleasant?

I'm only repeating what I read in The Guardian. It is usually regarded as the best newspaper according to many Gransetters.
Perhaps I should have looked at the Daily Mail for accuracy.

As you weren't there, why do you say it is nonsense?

I believe in the end there were about the same number as at the XL Bully Protest, which I think totalled about three thousand each.

The XL Bully protestors were advised not to take their dogs, just as well.

No, it's not nonsense to mention there was another protest in London on the same day. The police have their leave cancelled in order to keep the peace and allow other members of the public to go about their business.

maddyone Sun 24-Sept-23 11:17:10

As mentioned before, I saw three thousand at the rejoin EU March, but I saw nothing about numbers at the XL Bullies march. I just knew it was happening.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 24-Sept-23 11:20:45

3,000 on yesterday’s march

Party in the Park London 70,000

Events at O2 London 20,000

Top league football games 35,000

Stadium concerts 35-40,000

In perspective - rejoin event yesterday smallfry

GrannyGravy13 Sun 24-Sept-23 11:25:23

BBC online according to Sir Ed Davey voters are not talking about Brexit

maddyone Sun 24-Sept-23 11:29:43

I imagine the cost of living, NHS, and net zero is more at the forefront of people’s minds at the moment, plus the dog attacks perhaps.

Bodach Sun 24-Sept-23 11:30:17

MayBee70

Maybe keeping things in people’s minds that governments wish to be brushed under the carpet. And, we might still have nuclear weapons but they haven’t (thus far ) been used. So no one knows what might have been if some people hadn’t shown their disapproval of them. And people, in general, like to push unpleasant things to the back of their mind; I know I do. Sometimes those things have to be brought out into the open. I didn’t go on the march for various reasons but one is that I feel the way forward is to rebuild our relationship with Europe. If that leads to rejoining the EU I’m happy with that, but it’s a long way down the line and sorting out the mess left by Brexit isn’t going to be immediately resolved by trying to rejoin. At the same time I don’t want people to forget the disruption, both financial and social, that Brexit has brought about.

"And, we might still have nuclear weapons but they haven’t (thus far ) been used. So no one knows what might have been if some people hadn’t shown their disapproval of them."
Do you honestly think that one of the reasons the UK has not (thus far) used its nuclear weapons is that CND and its adherents wouldn't approve?

Callistemon21 Sun 24-Sept-23 11:48:43

And people, in general, like to push unpleasant things to the back of their mind; I know I do

I think it is rather thst, as a nation, we tend to be pragmatic.

We may moan and groan initially, but generally, most people roll up their sleeves and get on with what life throws at them.

The philosophy seems to be If life gives you lemons, make lemonade.

Fleurpepper Sun 24-Sept-23 12:36:08

maddyone

I imagine the cost of living, NHS, and net zero is more at the forefront of people’s minds at the moment, plus the dog attacks perhaps.

Well apart from the dogs- what is the main reason for all this?

Fleurpepper Sun 24-Sept-23 12:39:04

Mind you, the dogs too- as they are often illegally imported from Eastern Europe, and there are currently not checks for goods, etc, coming into UK.

MaizieD Sun 24-Sept-23 12:39:06

We may be a pragmatic nation, Callistemon, but most people, in whatever nation, just have to get on with living their lives as best they can, regardless of what is happening nationally.

However, this is no way nullifies the fact that Brexit has been an economic and democratic disaster for the UK and a disaster for those who have been adversely affected by it. And that there has been no mitigation for them or prospect of any real improvement, just a bit of tinkering around the edges if Labour wins power.

maddyone Sun 24-Sept-23 12:40:58

Cost of living - Covid, war in Ukraine, increased energy costs, the 2008 crash which we have not recovered from

NHS - insufficient investment

Net zero - alignment with Europe

GrannyGravy13 Sun 24-Sept-23 12:42:53

Fleurpepper

Mind you, the dogs too- as they are often illegally imported from Eastern Europe, and there are currently not checks for goods, etc, coming into UK.

XL Bully’s are a cross breed of an American Bulldog and an English Bulldog.

The frozen sperm is imported from America, as whilst the American Bulldogs are an illegal bread in the U.K. it is not currently illegal to import their sperm.

maddyone Sun 24-Sept-23 12:43:23

Can someone explain why we’re not in recession but Germany is?
I believe Germany is still in the EU.

maddyone Sun 24-Sept-23 12:44:39

GrannyGravy has explained about the dogs.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 24-Sept-23 13:01:27

Fleurpepper

Mind you, the dogs too- as they are often illegally imported from Eastern Europe, and there are currently not checks for goods, etc, coming into UK.

Are you saying that there are no checks on the journey through EU Countries from Eastern Europe Fleurpepper ?

Kandinsky Sun 24-Sept-23 13:05:46

and there are currently not checks for goods, etc, coming into UK

Really?
Wow.
Do drug dealers know this?

HousePlantQueen Sun 24-Sept-23 13:23:10

There are a few rather snippy, and a few more rather silly comments on this thread. Why on earth shouldn't people go to protest? Why the sarcasm? i was on the last one ( underreported of course) and it was a lovely, friendly day spent in the company of people who felt the same as I did. At the time, I, and others on GN were repeatedly told by the smug winning Brexiteers that we needed to 'get over it', that we were 'sore losers' or the corker of 'if we loved Europe so much, why didn't we move there?' not forgetting the accusations of being a traitor. So, going on that march, with like minded people, was to me, a refreshing change. This was about 4 years ago of course, and with the exception of the real die hards, most people on Gn and elsewhere, have quietly accepted that Brexit was a huge mistake.

MerylStreep Sun 24-Sept-23 13:25:02

GrannyGravy13

Fleurpepper

Mind you, the dogs too- as they are often illegally imported from Eastern Europe, and there are currently not checks for goods, etc, coming into UK.

Are you saying that there are no checks on the journey through EU Countries from Eastern Europe Fleurpepper ?

Customs started checking again on the 1st of April this year.
One important caveat written into the new rules is that eu lorry drivers arriving here empty can’t take on haulage jobs, something the d been doing for years undercutting our hauliers.

CoolCoco Sun 24-Sept-23 13:35:35

Perhaps not rejoin but no reason why we can’t aim for closer relationship a la Norway, which we were actually promised by the likes of Farage, Brexit has cost us billions, far from saving money, and continues to devalue our GDP every year, so another Brexit lie, as well as the lies about improving our public services- they’ve got worse, and cutting immigration - it’s gone up. We were also led to believe the EU would collapse without us - it hasn’t and we’d all be better off - we aren’t. So many lies.