Lawrence Fox

Doodledog she was not referring to her private life but people in the public eye, she was being derogatory about them as was Laurence Fox in this instance.

Two wrongs do not make a right, I am not defending Mr Fox but if women stoop low they shouldn’t be surprised when men retort with the same.

I am not defending her - I haven't seen her comments, but was she saying it in the context of a debate about something else, or was it a standalone thing? If the latter, I think it is very different.

If I say 'George Clooney is gorgeous' apropos of nothing, it is one thing, but if he is on a televised debate with me and in answer to a comment about mental health I retort that I'd like to 'shag him' (or not) that is quite another.

I know very little about Evans, but I don't think that personal tweets are relevant to this, if that's what they were. If they weren't, then she should be judged on the case in point - they have nothing to do with this one.

I think it might have been more useful if the panel discussing male suicide were focussed on that too or had experience or knowledge. It is like men discussing women's rights on abortion and contraception for example, which they do in high platforms all over the world, sadly

Start a thread Annie if you haven't already

I do think the Male on the panel, sorry I dont know who he was tried very hard to maintain the focus on Male suicide.
There were some issues I suppose in that he had been discussing very lighthearted subjects in a jokey way and then moved on to male suicide, but we should be able to cope with a change of subject I suppose.

I watched the documentary about suicide with Professor Green in 2015 it was very well presented. It’s a problem that affects many people I knew three people who committed suicide. The was no known apparent reason for each death they were all male and different ages.

It’s not a subject for a slanging match between journalists or anyone on television. It’s tragic and should be taken seriously taking into consideration the families who have lost their loved ones.

GrannyGravy13

Ava Evans has history on social media referring to who she would and wouldn’t shag

I remember this, but didn't have any links.

This on line spat is exactly why he said it.

Still doesn't mean he should have retaliated in the way he did.

Does add some back ground to his reasoning in doing so though.

Ms Evans is free to speak of who she would or wouldn’t shag ,
Mr Fox being male is not allowed to do so.

Callistemon21

Anniebach

I am taking about male suicide,

Fox was angry because there was a discussion about male suicide and Evan's detailed it.

Instead of using the anger to highlight and further the debate on male suicide, he has derailed the discussion further by his stupidity.

As a result, people are discussing misogyny.

He's just not very bright, is he.

Autocorrect was in overdrive!

Derailed, not detailed

by his arrogant treatment of a woman in the Question Time audience

I’m not defending his behaviour on GB News but I thought the woman on Queston Time was unreasonable and LF didn’t deserve the criticism he received.

Anniebach

Would there have been a thread here if he had challenged her appropriately, I think not

Why?

Public debate allows for some pretty strong opinions being forcefully, even aggressively, made... he could have been quite emphatic in his response - and possibly created an environment where the focus was on suicide instead of on him and his habitual outbursts.

Now the public will be debating whether his response was OTT and there will be cries of "what-about-free-speech-then".

We need more 'Professor Greens' on prime-time TV, and fewer Foxes...

www.sheknows.com/living/articles/1100693/professor-greens-male-suicide-documentary/

Why did a discussion on male suicide need Ava Evans - she's a political commentator covering Trades Unions news and Westminster anyway? What expertise does she have in the matter?

It would've been far more useful to have women involved with or working for the various charities dealing with mental health - The Samaritans, etc - surely?

Just because she comments on Westminster politics doesn't make her an authority - on anything, come to that.

Perhaps the programme makers should've been more selective?

Anniebach

Ms Evans is free to speak of who she would or wouldn’t shag ,
Mr Fox being male is not allowed to do so.

Who said that?

I did

Galaxy

I do think the Male on the panel, sorry I dont know who he was tried very hard to maintain the focus on Male suicide.
There were some issues I suppose in that he had been discussing very lighthearted subjects in a jokey way and then moved on to male suicide, but we should be able to cope with a change of subject I suppose.

Was it Geoff Norcott? He is a comedian, and often doubles as a panelist with a right wing point of view. I rather like him, as he's not at all rabid, and is down to earth in his views, even though I don't agree with most of them. He used to be a teacher, so he is in touch with real people.

Doodledog

Yes, but the thread isn't about that, it is about misogyny. If you wanted to talk about male suicide you could have done so at any point by starting a thread about it.

Or just let the thread wander where it will?

Boz

I see GBeebies has suspended Wootton.

Boz ... GBeebies 🤣🤣 I havent seen that before. You're not a fan then?

It was doodle and I have just finally joined the dots and realised who he was and what that means. Certainly Evans and the other woman on the panel (whose behaviour was much worse than Evans in my view) will have had a preconceived idea about anything that he said.

Or just let the thread wander where it will?
By all means, but then why suggest that we wouldn’t be talking about suicide if not for Fox’s comments? That’s not why he made them, and they weren’t about suicide. The reason he was suspended is because of his sexist comments. Why are people being so tetchy?

According to the Express, Ava Evans is now getting death-threats and has been told to "watch her back".

And Lawrence Fox has confirmed (on social media) that he "stands by every word" he said on the programme.

I still don't understand Fox's 'logic'. What has Evan's "desirability" level in the "shagging" stakes got to do with her dismissive and unpleasant attitude towards male suicide?

It's straight out of the misogyny handbook - if a woman has 'displeased' or offended you, either threaten her with rape, or alternatively, tell her she's too unattractive to bed. That's how misogynists shut women up... by not engaging with the point, using sex as a weapon instead.

It's also interesting that the other woman who advised the poor bloke to set up a sexual assault helpline for women during a conversation on Male suicide, received no comment from Fox.

Whenever I have forced myself to listen to this woman, she is very vocal, very unwilling to listen to any point of view apart from her own. A strong woman, supposedly,who can dismiss suicide by men, yet be offended by words. Now she becomes a victim. See her agenda here.

You’re right Dickens. It’s horrible, but people are trawling social media to find examples of whataboutery to denigrate AE and excuse Fox.

Freya5

Whenever I have forced myself to listen to this woman, she is very vocal, very unwilling to listen to any point of view apart from her own. A strong woman, supposedly,who can dismiss suicide by men, yet be offended by words. Now she becomes a victim. See her agenda here.

Exactly.

philoheart

I agree what he said was appalling but whatever happened to free speech in this country. Unless he used a swear word then giving publicity to this is plain silly. By the way no one seems to be reporting what the female in question said about male suicide.

I don’t know what she said about male suicide philoheart. Would you mind a quick sentence for me so I know. Thanks.

He is an out of order, pompous with an exaggerated idea of his own importance and intelligence.
Just because a person is an actor does not make them a world authority. Cf Emma Thompson etc Why not ask my postman, or the woman on the supermarket checkout?