Johnson goes to Israel!

Oreo and Callistemon21 Russia has no need of our support, morally or militarily. I don’t think Ukraine has enough young men to support a long drawn out conflict with a super power. In the case of Ukraine, I would cut my losses and try to negotiate some kind of peace deal which offers some compromise but is not a total surrender. If possible….. the alternative is to lose your population over time and be even weaker.
Pragmatism is my preferred strategy.

As BJ has now joined GB News, perhaps he is going to Israel as their envoy.
Incidentally, nobody seems to remember that Blair, despite his other failures, sent in our forces to bring peace to Sierra Leone where there was a terrible civil war in which all too many (children included) suffered amputations of limbs by one side or the other.

Oreo and Callistemon21 Russia has no need of our support, morally or militarily

🤔 what on earth does that mean?

In the case of Ukraine, I would cut my losses and try to negotiate some kind of peace deal which offers some compromise but is not a total surrender.

This is Putin you're talking about!!

Callistemon21

^Oreo and Callistemon21 Russia has no need of our support, morally or militarily^

🤔 what on earth does that mean?

Callistemon21 In reply to Oreo asking if I would have the Uk support Russia. To emphasise Russia would not seek our support.

Callistemon21

^In the case of Ukraine, I would cut my losses and try to negotiate some kind of peace deal which offers some compromise but is not a total surrender^.

This is Putin you're talking about!!

Callistemon21 yes Putin the consummate politician - he knows what he wants and how to achieve it.
The West is no match for his political ambitions.
Putin has the capacity to sit this through - Ukraine doesn’t. Pity.

The West is no match for his political ambitions

Are you saying wwe should let him run amok through Europe?

I have friends who were refugees when they were children from Eastern European countries and I don't think they would agree with you.

Interesting that our ex Prime Minister, Scomo, is also visiting Israel. Maybe there is some sort of meeting of exes going on ? Scomo is an avowed evangelical Christian - can’t see him being accepted by either side. Apart from the lack of intelligence visible when he was PM.

nanna8

Interesting that our ex Prime Minister, Scomo, is also visiting Israel. Maybe there is some sort of meeting of exes going on ? Scomo is an avowed evangelical Christian - can’t see him being accepted by either side. Apart from the lack of intelligence visible when he was PM.

I was puzzled too, nanna8

QuoteCallistemon21 Sun 05-Nov-23 18:11:12
But why was ScoMo going with him?

Perhaps he's angling for being made a Special Envoy for the UN or some other sinecure.

Callistemon21

^The West is no match for his political ambitions^

Are you saying wwe should let him run amok through Europe?

I have friends who were refugees when they were children from Eastern European countries and I don't think they would agree with you.

Callistemon21 Putin can sustain a long term war against Ukraine and Ukraine doesn’t have the resources either manpower or money to fight a long war.
It is a pity that one Boris Johnson could not see the bigger picture at the outset.

With the quality of political classes running Europe set against Putin, I can only hope that Putin will be satisfied with recouping parts of Ukraine possibly by 2024/25.

Kalu

Someone please remove his passport!
Nothing this buffoon does within the UK or abroad ends well.

I think more than his passport needs removing!!

Horrible,horrible warmonger. Where he goes, trouble follows and why he is still prancing around on the world stage I can’t imagine.

My impression is that Johnson takes the position of unquestioning support for Israel’s right to defend itself. It’s hard to argue against that. The issue the majority is struggling with is when does defence stop and genocide begin.

I don’t see Blair simplistically as a war monger, despite my total opposition to the invasion of Iraq. I left the LP in protest, much good that achieved. Blair’s legacy is more mixed than simply rejecting everything he did and does because of Iraq. Stressing here- it was wrong on every level.

Iam64

My impression is that Johnson takes the position of unquestioning support for Israel’s right to defend itself. It’s hard to argue against that. The issue the majority is struggling with is when does defence stop and genocide begin.

I don’t see Blair simplistically as a war monger, despite my total opposition to the invasion of Iraq. I left the LP in protest, much good that achieved. Blair’s legacy is more mixed than simply rejecting everything he did and does because of Iraq. Stressing here- it was wrong on every level.

You have summed exactly how I feel too Iam64 - on both counts.

Perhaps/definitely I am the only one here who thinks that Boris is lending support to the people of Israel. If it helps in any way then I am all for it. 👍

Iam64 👍

* The issue the majority is struggling with is when does defence stop and genocide begin.*

That is what I am beginning to think.

NanKate

Perhaps/definitely I am the only one here who thinks that Boris is lending support to the people of Israel. If it helps in any way then I am all for it. 👍

I have said upthread that if he brings peace, then that is great.

I wouldnt care if Coco the Clown went, as long as peace comes.

BJ might be useful but not in the conventional sense. If BJ takes the view that Israel is allowed to defend itself against Hamas then that makes sense. If BJ and Israel think that Hamas needs to be removed and completely obliterated then that’s a difficult position to achieve. Hamas can operate from a number of different countries and its potential removal from Gaza doesn’t mean that it is less of a threat.
Best wait and see what BJ has to say….

I saw a little clip of him speaking this morning (but it was probably filmed yesterday, surely he’s not still there?) Anyway he hasn’t said anything that most of us don’t already know from what I saw, reiterated the horrendousnesss of the Hamas attack, Israel must defend itself etc. It was an extremely small clip, he may have said other things.
I abhor the violence being reaped upon the Palestinian people, but I do feel that Sunak and Starmer are right to support the right of the Israeli people. The addition of other views by other politicians or celebrities isn’t particularly helpful in my opinion.

It is probably sending out a (wrong) impression to the world that the UK is supporting Netanyahu. Should stay at home and keep his head down in shame for his time as PM and Foreign Secretary.

Hasn't Boris got new employers. Is it GB News? Perhaps they are paying and sending accompanying camera-men

Yes, just looked it up it is GB News.

GrannyGravy13

As an ex PM he will be in receipt of round the clock security.

My thoughts exactly! We, the taxpayers will be paying for this publicity stunt.
I don't trust Johnson to do anything that isn't to his own benefit