Tories tearing themselves apart - how long to a GE!

Don't think much of our current P.M. but if the Labour leader is all that's on offer as a future P.M. then G... help us! I say this as a non- political animal - can't think of anyone I would want to put my x against at a G.E.!

Today's events show Starmer is robust enough to sack front benchers or force their resignations whereas Sunak dithered a long time before sacking Braverman who was well over the line.

No matter what they do between now and the GE, they will still be in deep do do. Since they outed Boris, they have screwed so many things, and made so many promises which they either haven't fulfilled or have gone back on, only die hard supporters will vote for them. The only chance they have is to get rid of Sunak, and replace him with someone l8ke Braverman who his finally said what a lot of people are saying.

As far as Labour are concerned, I don't think Stamer is the right man for the job, he's too much of a Mr Flip Flop and supports the wrong causes, has he decided what a woman is yet.

May be it's about time a new party was elected into government, the question is, who. None of them have the experience necessary.

In plain English, we're in the sh1t, whichever way we turn.

I don’t think Sunak dithered over sacking Braverman Grantanow. It would have taken a while to negotiate Cameron’s return with him and make the necessary arrangements for his peerage. His mind was clearly made up some time ago.

Doing what had to be done to get Cameron into Cabinet was despicable. Nobody voted for Cameron. It hasn’t endeared Sunak to me at all and I’ll be glad when he’s gone.

Why was it despicable? Labour gave Mandeson a peerage and he served as a minister.

Mandelson

I think that was despicable too GSM.

EEJit

No matter what they do between now and the GE, they will still be in deep do do. Since they outed Boris, they have screwed so many things, and made so many promises which they either haven't fulfilled or have gone back on, only die hard supporters will vote for them. The only chance they have is to get rid of Sunak, and replace him with someone l8ke Braverman who his finally said what a lot of people are saying.

As far as Labour are concerned, I don't think Stamer is the right man for the job, he's too much of a Mr Flip Flop and supports the wrong causes, has he decided what a woman is yet.

May be it's about time a new party was elected into government, the question is, who. None of them have the experience necessary.

In plain English, we're in the sh1t, whichever way we turn.

Can you list the wrong causes he has supported ( I admit that I’m not happy about his current stance on a cease fire in Palestine). Or are you just echoing the sort of rubbish that Johnson used to spout in parliament when he wasn’t talking about Peppa Pig or squashing sombreros. And which promises did Johnson fulfil?

This article explains the position very well. The law was changed in 2009 after Mandelson’s appointment. Gordon Brown originally wanted him to answer questions on his brief in parliament, but that was refused, and instead there was a monthly House of Lords question time, which MPs were not permitted to attend. The difference is that although on the cabinet Mandelson did not hold one of the great offices of state as Cameron now does.
theconversation.com/david-cameron-returns-how-can-a-prime-minister-make-someone-who-isnt-an-mp-foreign-secretary-and-what-happens-now-217601

Yesterday the Labour Party tore themselves apart too. Half are supporting Corbin and half Starmer. Neither party are very stable at the moment

I think Cameron will get a much tougher scrutiny in the Lords. All those retired Ambassadors, Generals, Spooks etc.

Labour get my vote for the NHS, they started it, they can fix it, I don't care who they put in charge Labour built the NHS & are working class for the working classes (on the whole, exceptions like Tony Benn etc) they built the welfare state and whether you like Starmer or not they will do the same again without going mad with the pennies but they will close tax loopholes and increase tax for the wealthiest so expect grim stories from the press that is owned by billionaires, like the Daily Mail for example

Labour haven’t done too well with the NHS in Wales. I admire your blind faith. Starmer has said he isn’t going to increase taxes hasn’t he?

For CvD66 - and anyone else with partisan voting feelings. Many decades of evidence clearly show that incompetence and corruption (and occasionally a smattering of perverts) are easily found in all the major parties. To place undue faith in any of them is a classic example of hope over realism.

For Labour (I can pick holes in Tories too, Lord knows they supply plenty ammo!) the Momentum subset that gave us Comrade Corbyn and John ('MaoIsMe') McDonnell haven't gone away, they're just creeping out from the stones they slunk under after that last election massacre. Look up Jared O'Mara, jailed for FOUR years in Feb, not just suspended or forced to resign. Also Fiona Onasanya jailed for 3 months in 2019 (perverting the course of justice).

MOnica made a comment re "deckchairs" (elections) and the evidence clearly shows that's a realistic view.

Germanshepherdsmum

Labour haven’t done too well with the NHS in Wales. I admire your blind faith. Starmer has said he isn’t going to increase taxes hasn’t he?

The NHS in Wales is not faring well at all.

Tories tearing themselves apart - how long to a GE!

Substitute Tories for Labour and the whole political system is falling apart.

This country yearns for a strong leader it always has done.

the first person they should send to ruanda is suella braverman. What an appalling person she is, and very typical of the selfseeking selfish tory party! On the other hand let her keep talking her vile attitudes as it should remind any of the electorate with short memories of just exactly what they are like and why they should be got rid of at the earliest opportunity. Mind you they are even scraping the bottom of the barrel when they have to get cameron to be in the fo. Well when there are so many liars, untrustworthy, deceitful people who have hoped to not be found out giving jobs to friends and shares in companies which have conveniently been given large amounts of our money to get a contract. I am ashamed to be british when I hear the Home Secretary coming out with such attitudes. Hurry up election and lets be rid of them all !

The NHS in Wales is not faring well at all.

Callistemon21 this is because of the way in which funding is allocated from Westminster to the devolved nations. It is done by the Barnett Formula which is based simply on population numbers not needs. Wales suffers particularly because of this, as it has a significantly greater number of people aged over 65 than the other nations; this puts greater strain on the NHS in Wales. You can read the details on Chanel 4 Fact Check.

Well said LizzieDrip - good to have some facts!

I’ve just watched this New Statesman piece by Andrew Marr. Whichever side of the political spectrum you sit on, it’s a very interesting perspective I think, and helps put the jigsaw together of what is happening within the party.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cShf_tAyO0A

Jaye53

This country yearns for a strong leader it always has done.

No it doesn't.

Casdon

I’ve just watched this New Statesman piece by Andrew Marr. Whichever side of the political spectrum you sit on, it’s a very interesting perspective I think, and helps put the jigsaw together of what is happening within the party.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cShf_tAyO0A

Well worth listening to. Thanks for highlighting it.

I take Marr's point about the (possible) shift towards the 'blue-shires' traditional Conservative voter away from the so-called red-wall.

I personally don't like 'populist' government nor any tendencies towards extremism - in any party - and it has been said that the British people as a whole don't like immoderation or 'obsessiveness' in their government.

As a non-Tory voter, I would nevertheless welcome a return to the more moderate conservative Conservatism of the past. In spite of the woeful Austerity imposed, I still think Cameron has more gravitas than some of the current (and recently 'past') members of this current government. It might have been a shrewd move by Sunak. Who knows.

Well, the campaigning has already started, we've had a Labour Party activist round today and we had a good chat 🙂

I watched this earlier Casdon and Dickens. Marr's move to the New Statesman has certainly unleashed some interesting pieces from them.

As another centrist, Dickens, I too would not want to see the complete end of the Tories. I would much rather see a centre democrat pivot with the best of governance coming from both the democratic right and the democratic left. Unfortunately, in both the Tory and Labour coalitions, neither right or left have shown that democracy is strong very far from the fulcrum that lies between them.