Tories tearing themselves apart - how long to a GE!

Freya5

DaisyAnneReturns

However, he has vowed to bring in emergency legislation, "I will not allow a foreign court to block these flights"

He sounds as if he is almost threatening Starmer, Dickens, and the of HoL. I'm not sure the threat if a snap election if he stands in the way of his law changes is going to have much effect on Labour. I don't think Starmer has the power to stop him.

Why is Sunak spending so much money (£140M so far) and government time and suggesting we abolish all Human Rights Laws for all our citizens, to send 200 refugees to Rhowanda?

It's madness.

Our rights were granted us by the Magna Carta. We had them always. We didnt need foreigners to tell us what we already had. It was Blair, with the encouragement of his meddling wife, that signed us up to the foreign courts.

I think that you will find that it was talking about the barons and landowners , not the serfs of which I assume most of us are.

Germanshepherdsmum

4% of estates, not 4% of the population.

Which makes it an even smaller proportion of the population.

4% of people dying if you like. Forecast to almost double in the next ten years. Naturally those whose estates will not attract IHT (and that is particularly the case outside the south east, where property values are high) are not in favour of anyone else escaping the tax.

Freya5

DaisyAnneReturns

However, he has vowed to bring in emergency legislation, "I will not allow a foreign court to block these flights"

He sounds as if he is almost threatening Starmer, Dickens, and the of HoL. I'm not sure the threat if a snap election if he stands in the way of his law changes is going to have much effect on Labour. I don't think Starmer has the power to stop him.

Why is Sunak spending so much money (£140M so far) and government time and suggesting we abolish all Human Rights Laws for all our citizens, to send 200 refugees to Rhowanda?

It's madness.

Our rights were granted us by the Magna Carta. We had them always. We didnt need foreigners to tell us what we already had. It was Blair, with the encouragement of his meddling wife, that signed us up to the foreign courts.

I think you have a severe problem with facts Fraya.

While only a small percentage of people pay inheritance tax, new data from economic research group, the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), says the sums could be significant to some: if all non-spousal inheritances transferred next year were equally shared between all 25 years olds, each would receive around £120,000.
(https://news.sky.com/story/inheritance-tax-whos-paying-it-how-much-is-it-generating-and-is-it-just-the-rich-who-benefit-from-its-abolition-12969642)

Being wealthy simply because your parents were is taking us back centuries GSM and shows signs of eugenic thinking.

That isn’t the case in my family, nor will it be on my death. But I’m not a believer in redistribution of wealth other than by choice.

Germanshepherdsmum

"In the tax year 2020 to 2021, 3.73% of UK deaths resulted in an Inheritance Tax (IHT) charge, decreasing by 0.03 percentage points since the tax year 2019 to 2020."

The above quote is from Gov.uk website. Have I misunderstood this ? This is a genuine polite enquiry, not intended to be confrontational. I understand the difference between those leaving "an estate (something of value) and those not doing so but wouldn't that mean those paying inheritance tax would be even less than 4% of the population? Happy to be set straight on my understanding of this.

Freya5

DaisyAnneReturns

However, he has vowed to bring in emergency legislation, "I will not allow a foreign court to block these flights"

He sounds as if he is almost threatening Starmer, Dickens, and the of HoL. I'm not sure the threat if a snap election if he stands in the way of his law changes is going to have much effect on Labour. I don't think Starmer has the power to stop him.

Why is Sunak spending so much money (£140M so far) and government time and suggesting we abolish all Human Rights Laws for all our citizens, to send 200 refugees to Rhowanda?

It's madness.

Our rights were granted us by the Magna Carta. We had them always. We didnt need foreigners to tell us what we already had. It was Blair, with the encouragement of his meddling wife, that signed us up to the foreign courts.

A short note on the inception of the ECHR:

From 7 to 10 May 1948, politicians including Winston Churchill, François Mitterrand, and Konrad Adenauer; civil society representatives; academics; business leaders; trade unionists; and religious leaders convened the Congress of Europe in The Hague. At the end of the Congress, a declaration and following pledge to create the convention was issued. The second and third articles of the pledge state: "We desire a Charter of Human Rights guaranteeing liberty of thought, assembly and expression as well as right to form a political opposition. We desire a Court of Justice with adequate sanctions for the implementation of this Charter."[9]

And the ECJ

The European Court of Justice (ECJ), formally just the Court of Justice (French: Cour de Justice), is the supreme court of the European Union in matters of European Union law. As a part of the Court of Justice of the European Union, it is tasked with interpreting EU law and ensuring its uniform application across all EU member states under Article 263 of the Treaty of the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU).[2]

The Court was established in 1952, and is based in Luxembourg. It is composed of one judge per member state – currently 27 – although it normally hears cases in panels of three, five or fifteen judges.[3] The Court has been led by president Koen Lenaerts since 2015

So, Freya5 I think you are a little bit wrong!

I’m sure you are aware that there are legitimate ways of passing on an estate without paying IHT - there are a number of exemptions such as a spouse or charity inheriting, or the estate containing business assets or farmland. Those are important exemptions, which obviously significantly reduce the number of taxable estates. The headline figure of 4% implies that only the very wealthy are paying IHT - in fact the very wealthy are those least likely to have to pay.

The headline figure of 4% implies that only the very wealthy are paying IHT - in fact the very wealthy are those least likely to have to pay
Very true. They are in a position to be able to pay financial advisers to set up trusts and avoid IHT, as we have seen in many notable cases including Labour politicians.
Does that prove it is the most unpopular tax?