Will Israel comply to the ICJ ruling?

The figures on the Palestinians killed in this war come from.... Hamas.

Do you really believe them?

I have difficulties with the numbers killed, have from the start,

Emphasis always been xxxxx number of children, photographs
of babies laid on mattresses etc

Unfortunately for Israel, the terrorist organisation, Hamas, have extremely good public relations. Much of the world seems to believe everything they say which includes film of 'incidents' shown on television around the world which, if forensically examined show how the clip of film is put together.

Please do not believe what Hamas say.

I think it’s internationally accepted that the figures coming from Hamas are accurate.

Candelle

The figures on the Palestinians killed in this war come from.... Hamas.

Do you really believe them?

Until there is evidence to show that the figures are incorrect - I have nothing else to base my judgement on.

One innocent civilian is too many as far as I am concerned.
- on both sides.

All are war crimes - no side is innocent.

Russia also committing war crimes by their illegal unprovoked attack on Ukraine, but international organisations aren't too bothered about that, only the hated Israel. No one else ever seems to incur any wrath with anyone at all, no matter how many laws they break or how heinous their crimes to humanity no one cares.

For all that believe that Israel has just aimed rockets and bombs at innocent Palestinian civilians with no targeting of Hamas personnel: only repeatedly hitting innocent women and children (but no men - as shown on your television screens) but then do nothing to help, please read the following. Please also keep in mind that Israel was grievously attacked and did not begin a war.

As of last Sunday, Israel has sent:

9,923 trucks containing 182,670 tonnes of humanitarian aid to the Palestinian people. This comprises:

5,586 trucks transporting 117,350 tonnes of food.

1,440 trucks transporting 20,780 tonnes of shelter

1,143 trucks transporting 13,550 tonnes of medical supplies

947 trucks transporting 19,020 tonnes of water

807 trucks transporting 11,970 tonnes of other aid

For a country that was attacked, I think that they have gone above and beyond. Would the UK have delivered such aid to Germany in the middle of WW11?

Did any GNetters know about this aid? Has it been in the newspapers for you to read?

Thank you Candelle

Jaberwok the difference is Russia = Russians. Isreal = Jews

To* Whitewavemark2*

I agree that every civilian is one too many but please remember that Israel was going abouts its business on that sunny Saturday morning in October when death came to visit. Those were innocent civilians.

Post October 7th, Israel had to defend itself, just as we have done in the past and may have to do so again.

Do any of you think that Hamas thought that Israel would not defend itself - find the murderers?

Follow that line, did Hamas think that their own population would be hurt? Of course they did.

Hamas have rooted themselves in highly populated areas, knowing full-well that targeting them would cause mayhem for their people. For Hamas, people are expendable - but it makes for jolly good PR/TV footage..

To candelle Israel going about its business as usual is that of an occupying and oppressive regime. Palestinian lives are seen as less valuable than Israeli lives to the Israelis. I wish the carnage would stop.
Taking hostages is dreadful. Bombing, randomly killing thousands is also dreadful.
Please can the killing cease.

I stand to be corrected but the amount of aid provided is tiny for a population of over 2 million.
I don’t think Israel provides any aid. Aid is provided by international charity organisations whose lorries are held up for many days, sometimes longer, waiting for israel to give permission for aid to go through the border.

As has been said so many times this did not suddenly come out of the blue in October. It’s the result of years of oppression and the killings of thousands of Palestinians by Israelis every 3 or 4 years it blows up but barely reported by our media.
It’s easy to find out for those who wish to see.


My view for what it’s worth but I have followed this for at least 30 years, is, that the current far right Israeli government want rid of the Gazan population altogether. The land is good, Israel always wants more land, there are issues with water which in Palestinian areas is often turned off.
As for the West Bank that will probably be next.

Candelle everywhere in tiny Gaza is highly populated. It’s the size of the Isle of Wight with a population of nearly 2.5 million.
There is no space and nowhere to escape to because Israel has total control over who and what comes in and out of Gaza.
It’s really quite upsetting to have to be saying these things, especially today.

Every 3 to 4 years Israel kills thousands of Palastinians but it isn’t reported !

Jaberwok

Russia also committing war crimes by their illegal unprovoked attack on Ukraine, but international organisations aren't too bothered about that, only the hated Israel. No one else ever seems to incur any wrath with anyone at all, no matter how many laws they break or how heinous their crimes to humanity no one cares.

The US and the UK are arming Ukraine. And have protested.
IF you want these things to be equal we should be arming Palestinians

Candelle

To* Whitewavemark2*

I agree that every civilian is one too many but please remember that Israel was going abouts its business on that sunny Saturday morning in October when death came to visit. Those were innocent civilians.

Post October 7th, Israel had to defend itself, just as we have done in the past and may have to do so again.

Do any of you think that Hamas thought that Israel would not defend itself - find the murderers?

Follow that line, did Hamas think that their own population would be hurt? Of course they did.

Hamas have rooted themselves in highly populated areas, knowing full-well that targeting them would cause mayhem for their people. For Hamas, people are expendable - but it makes for jolly good PR/TV footage..

You don’t need to remind me the grievous crimes committed by Hamas.

Israel have the absolute right to defend itself, but it must be proportionate, and in my view it isn’t.

The arguments have been aired over and over and quite honestly I see little point in going over them again.

As far as I am concerned a two state solution should have been negotiated years ago, and indeed is the only way forward today. Netanyahu doesn’t agree - which is a tragedy for Israel, as it will never have peace if it continually refuses this course.

Of course Annie, silly me, Israel = Jews. That tells me everything.

Yes Annie. Things blow up, people forced from whole villages (Silvan comes to mind) families forced from their homes, their land, crops are damaged, so people are angry, boys throw stones, they get shot, and yes over the many years of this happening thousands have died.
It is reported, mentioned at the end of a news cast or towards the back of a newspaper , not like the wall to wall reporting since October, but it’s not headlined.
It’s all there to find if anyone wants to look and better understand there is a background to this unhappy situation. Of course we as a country were involved in much of this chaos.

As far as aid is concerned I can find no evidence that Israel has provided any. The UN says
Since the war began, a small group of nations (including Turkey, Qatar, the UAE, Jordan, India, Tunisia, and Rwanda) have sent medical supplies, food, and drinking water to the region in anticipation of the opportunity to deliver it into Gaza
Israel has kept the aid lorries waiting at the crossings..

Anniebach

Thank you Candelle

Jaberwok the difference is Russia = Russians. Isreal = Jews

Israel = Islamists, Jews, Christians amongst others. The majority - just over 70% are those following the Jewish faith.

Israel is a secular state.

But when we speak of Israelis we speak of people of all faiths and none.

Not a lot of people know that. Moureen Lipman gave an interview today, anti semitism is on the rise here , her parents graves are in a locked graveyard

I don't think Israel is a secular state - the state supports and promotes the Jewish religion and the principal of biblical homeland. Before Catholic emancipation UK was not a secular state either, but there were many Catholics & Jews living here.
Also agree with Silver Lining the aid isn't coming from Israel. There wouldn't be much point in having Gaza under seige if they were then sending supplies in.Someone said that Hamas' avowed intent is to rid Palestine of Israelis. Everything points to Israel's covert intent being to rid Palestine of Palestinians. Of course, they deny this - they have too much to lose. Unlike the Palestinians who have nothing that hasn't already been taken from them.

Anniebach

Not a lot of people know that. Moureen Lipman gave an interview today, anti semitism is on the rise here , her parents graves are in a locked graveyard

Her parents and many others

I didn’t think it was private to her parents only

Anniebach

I didn’t think it was private to her parents only

I know Anniebach there is a rise in antisemitism worldwide, and I find it heartbreaking.

Whitewavemark2

This ruling is about genocide in Gaza, by Israel.

Hamas were not under consideration.

Whataboutery cuts no ice.

Why not?
Don’t you care about the hostages being held, tortured and raped in Gaza?
How strange.

A peaceful solution would be Hamas release the hostages and immediately stop firing rockets into Israel. Then the Israelis withdraw and cease warfare in Gaza. Then Egypt open their gates and allow aid through.

Why so one sided Whitewave?

A ceasefire requires both sides to stop firing.