Anybody else who doesn't know who to vote for?

I'm not sure either.
I think I'm going to write each of the leaders names on pieces of paper, shut my eyes and pull one out.

I'm voting Conservative even though I dislike the leadership and have very little faith in the party, plus my local MP is a useless twat obsessed with flag waving. I can't bring myself to vote Labour no matter what I think of the Tories. Nor will I respond to any baiting by the Labour voters on here, I'm an adult, I know what I'm doing and have no interest in discussing it further.

I live in a Lib Dem constituency and intend to continue voting Lib Dem.
Labour would need to get off the fence and admit that Brexit was a disaster before they got any support from me.
And until this country stops selling arms to warring countries it is in no position to complain about refugees.

Why don’t you all read the manifestos and listen to the leaders with an open and enquiring mind ? I hope we have some debates. Sunak was saying this morning that those of Labour’s plans which have so far been unveiled will cost every taxpayer an additional £2k pa. That’s a lot of money.

Germanshepherdsmum

Well Cossy, I don’t have a problem with controlled migration provided people don’t disappear when their visas expire. Rwanda is starting to prove that it’s a deterrent but Starmer would stop it and have some sort of beefed up Border Force, which as I have posted before Border Force officials say will do nothing at all to stop the boats. Oh, and he wants to talk with Europe despite 15 European countries having signed up to wanting something along the lines of Rwanda. There is far more chance of ‘my’ party stopping the boats than Labour.

I’d really rather the Rwanda cash had been spent trying to catch/stop all the people traffickers, ditto the French cash too. If it acts as a deterrent, and works and if we were certain those sent there would be entirely safe (Rwanda govt wise) and have a chance to bring families if they have them, I wouldn’t be quite so against the idea, I’m not sure though that the processing of applications over there in Rwanda is right either. Sadly I think it’s the people Traffickers who will continue to thrive and benefit and just find other ways to get people here dangerously and illegally.

I want to see these boats stop as much as you do, perhaps for different reasons. I support controlled immigration. I also support the right of refugees to seek asylum.

FlexibleFriend

I'm voting Conservative even though I dislike the leadership and have very little faith in the party, plus my local MP is a useless twat obsessed with flag waving. I can't bring myself to vote Labour no matter what I think of the Tories. Nor will I respond to any baiting by the Labour voters on here, I'm an adult, I know what I'm doing and have no interest in discussing it further.

That’s entirely your right.

GSM do we need a better way of tracking this?? The visas I mean?

Germanshepherdsmum

Blimey. What a terrible mix.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Labour always gets in where I live, which gives me a sort of freedom to vote how I wish (as I don’t have to vote tactically to keep the Tories out). I shall probably vote Green.

Cossy

GSM do we need a better way of tracking this?? The visas I mean?

I have no idea how it can be done if someone disappears into the black economy. Where do you start looking when they have moved to another address and are not paying tax? You can’t tag them like criminals.

I think it is hugely disrespectful to say 'transgender nonsense'. People on this forum may well have a trans gender person in their family. I think a little sensitivity is called for whatever your views.

Germanshepherdsmum

Why don’t you all read the manifestos and listen to the leaders with an open and enquiring mind ? I hope we have some debates. Sunak was saying this morning that those of Labour’s plans which have so far been unveiled will cost every taxpayer an additional £2k pa. That’s a lot of money.

But is it true?

mumofmadboys

I think it is hugely disrespectful to say 'transgender nonsense'. People on this forum may well have a trans gender person in their family. I think a little sensitivity is called for whatever your views.

I agree

Next time Sunak is on tv or radio, why don’t you listen, wwm? The cost of the main parties’ plans will be under the microscope in the coming weeks. I have never taken Sunak for a liar.

I think it is hugely disrespectful to say 'transgender nonsense'. People on this forum may well have a trans gender person in their family. I think a little sensitivity is called for whatever your views

I also agree mumofmadboys.

Whitewavemark2

mumofmadboys

I think it is hugely disrespectful to say 'transgender nonsense'. People on this forum may well have a trans gender person in their family. I think a little sensitivity is called for whatever your views.

I agree

This has troubled me for some time.

Germanshepherdsmum

Cossy
“GSM do we need a better way of tracking this?? The visas I mean?
I have no idea how it can be done if someone disappears into the black economy. Where do you start looking when they have moved to another address and are not paying tax? You can’t tag them like criminals.”

Maybe we could! Maybe technology is so good we could “microchip” them, with the dates of the visa expiry in it, which could then “magically” activate the chip and we can catch them 😂😂😂😂 Now back to the real world!

Wyllow3

Whitewavemark2
mumofmadboys
“I think it is hugely disrespectful to say 'transgender nonsense'. People on this forum may well have a trans gender person in their family. I think a little sensitivity is called for whatever your views.
I agree
This has troubled me for some time.”

I completely agree. Imagine if we referred to other groups as “Gay Nonsense” or “Autistic Nonsense”

I know a man who would be very upset if you told him the earth was round.
It is nonsense that you can change sex. Pretending that people can change sex has caused considerable damage to children and women.
The whistleblowers were told to be kind too. Sometimes 'being kind' causes damage. It is a 'tool' particularly used against women.
If the labour party are faced with the question can a woman have a penis, they need not to talk nonsense. Starmer does seem to have got to grips with this to be fair.

Germanshepherdsmum

Next time Sunak is on tv or radio, why don’t you listen, wwm? The cost of the main parties’ plans will be under the microscope in the coming weeks. I have never taken Sunak for a liar.

I don’t think it’s a “lie” I think that’s Sunak’s take on the costing and maybe he’s assumed the funding will come from personal taxation, whereas I’m pretty sure I read that at least the bulk of the funding will come from commercial taxation or windfall taxes.

Galaxy 👏👏👏

I doubt Sunak thought up the figure himself. We already have windfall taxes on the oil and gas industry. What will commercial taxes be? You may depend they will ultimately be footed by the consumer.

Galaxy

I know a man who would be very upset if you told him the earth was round.
It is nonsense that you can change sex. Pretending that people can change sex has caused considerable damage to children and women.
The whistleblowers were told to be kind too. Sometimes 'being kind' causes damage. It is a 'tool' particularly used against women.
If the labour party are faced with the question can a woman have a penis, they need not to talk nonsense. Starmer does seem to have got to grips with this to be fair.

Whilst I agree, you cannot alter your biological sex. You can, however have surgery to change your outward appearance and assume another gender or identify as a different gender. You can do this in the eyes of the law so to dismiss it as “transgender nonsense” is both insulting and incorrect.

Germanshepherdsmum

I doubt Sunak thought up the figure himself. We already have windfall taxes on the oil and gas industry. What will commercial taxes be? You may depend they will ultimately be footed by the consumer.

I guess we will have to wait until the debates and all the properly costing manifestos are published for all parties.

I wish Reform well with this

Cossy I would need to know a lot more details of commercial taxation before voting for Labour.