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Anybody else who doesn't know who to vote for?

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meddijess Thu 23-May-24 12:07:00

I would not vote Conservative, but I don't trust Labour not to open the floodgates to yet more people who really don't like us and want to do us harm. Who to vote for - any ideas?

silverlining48 Thu 23-May-24 17:35:33

Agree with you HPQ.

Smileless2012 Thu 23-May-24 17:36:23

Rishi Sunak's Government blocked the legislation passed by the Scottish Parliament for self identification for those wanting to change gender DL.

Despite this common sense, I'm not aware that he is prioritising the issue of gender identity whitewavemark.

CLAW Thu 23-May-24 17:39:15

No, I feel exactly the same. At a total loss. I agree with you about immigration as some coming into our shores have been refused asylum in other countries such as Germany and Sweden. I don't know the reasons refused but it makes me uncomfortable. Happy for controlled immigration and for people who really want to live and work here. But, is it true that Labour will be offering asylum to Palestinians or is this just propaganda?

vegansrock Thu 23-May-24 17:40:21

Why people are more concerned with gender ideology and a few p more tax when under the Tories tax is at the highest since WW2. Why water quality and the environment aren’t seen as more important beats me.

Smileless2012 Thu 23-May-24 17:42:49

It is possible to be concerned about more than one or two issues vegansrock.

DiamondLily Thu 23-May-24 17:47:44

My vote will be on trying to fix our crumbling services.

I don’t believe Starmer and the gender saga- I think he’s just tried to tread a middle ground.

But, I think a lot of things need reform, and not just endless money thrown at them.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 23-May-24 17:54:00

Tax is at the current level because of the money spent helping people during covid and the energy price and cost of living increases due to the war in Ukraine vegansrock. Things Labour hasn’t had to deal with, just sit on the sidelines sniping. Now what will they do if saddled with compensation to postmasters and victims of contaminated blood? That hasn’t been priced in as yet (and I trust they would continue funding equipment for the Ukraine).

harold Thu 23-May-24 17:59:54

Labour as usual, though I have occasionally voted Lib Dem locally. Cannot understand people who don't vote after the struggles in the past. The conservatives do not really deserve to win and would probably benefit from some time spent in Opposition.

Casdon Thu 23-May-24 18:01:30

What a bizarre post Germanshepherdsmum. How can a party make tax decisions when they are in opposition, and what is their role other than to give their opinion of what the government is doing? Are you also suggesting that the compensation requirements wouldn’t be met if the Tories remain in power? Or that Labour shouldn’t or wouldn’t continue with the commitments given to Ukraine which they signed up to in parliament?

HousePlantQueen Thu 23-May-24 18:07:11

Germanshepherdsmum

Tax is at the current level because of the money spent helping people during covid and the energy price and cost of living increases due to the war in Ukraine vegansrock. Things Labour hasn’t had to deal with, just sit on the sidelines sniping. Now what will they do if saddled with compensation to postmasters and victims of contaminated blood? That hasn’t been priced in as yet (and I trust they would continue funding equipment for the Ukraine).

So, following your argument; if the eye watering costs of compensation for the victims of the blood scandal and the post office are uncosted by Labour and a potential cause of tax rises.....where was Sunak planning on finding the money? By slashing retirement pensions to keep income tax down?

LovesBach Thu 23-May-24 18:10:07

Some years ago, there was a suggestion that a second election might happen very quickly after a first. A woman in a local High Street, informed of this on the TV news, wailed 'OH NO! I can't stand it - not again'. That's exactly how I feel right now - for the first time in my adult life I have no idea who to vote for, and don't want to listen to a succession of waffling, lying politicians. I truly cannot bear it. My head is going in the sand very quickly.

Pittcity Thu 23-May-24 18:11:00

Our local boundaries have changed to remove a labour voting area.
We had a Lib Dem MP who retired and was replaced by a Tory. He is quitting and they've bussed in an out of town celebrity candidate.
I'm also an "anything but Tory" voter. I'm going to read and watch as much as I can and try to make an informed local decision.

I'd love it if we had an alternative to the 2 main parties.

Cossy Thu 23-May-24 18:14:13

Germanshepherdsmum

Tax is at the current level because of the money spent helping people during covid and the energy price and cost of living increases due to the war in Ukraine vegansrock. Things Labour hasn’t had to deal with, just sit on the sidelines sniping. Now what will they do if saddled with compensation to postmasters and victims of contaminated blood? That hasn’t been priced in as yet (and I trust they would continue funding equipment for the Ukraine).

Well they will be saddled with it won’t they, as we know this govt has dragged it’s feet paying nothing to anyone! Add in the appalling cladding issue, and Grenfell and the crumbling cement issues! None of these were caused by this govt, that much is true, but they’ve also not resolved and paid yet!

GrannyGravy13 Thu 23-May-24 18:28:26

What a choice

AGAA4 Thu 23-May-24 18:37:03

GrannyGravy13

What a choice

Reminds of that song " clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. Here I am stuck in the middle" Just about sums it up.

zakouma66 Thu 23-May-24 18:39:05

Nicenanny3

Also I forgot the awful sneering Emily Thornberry who looked down her nose at the hard working white van man and the English Flag no thanks.

hard working white van man? really?

Galaxy Thu 23-May-24 18:39:50

Sorry what fo you mean?

Galaxy Thu 23-May-24 18:40:29

Do that should say.

varian Thu 23-May-24 18:48:28

Pittcity

Our local boundaries have changed to remove a labour voting area.
We had a Lib Dem MP who retired and was replaced by a Tory. He is quitting and they've bussed in an out of town celebrity candidate.
I'm also an "anything but Tory" voter. I'm going to read and watch as much as I can and try to make an informed local decision.

I'd love it if we had an alternative to the 2 main parties.

We have more than two parties. Vote LibDem.

If you previously had a LibDem MP there is a good chance you could have another LibDem MP.

The polls between elections always underestimate support for the LibDems who consistently do much better than predicted, in spite of lack of support from partisan media.

In the recent Council elections in England the LibDems came second to Labour, winning more Councillors and more Councils than the Conservatives.

Marthjolly1 Thu 23-May-24 18:58:05

Who to vote for? No faith, no trust in any party. I may or may not see another General Election after this one. My future becomes shorter as each day ends. Maybe there's not much future left for me. But there is a hell of a lot in front of my children and grandchildren. That is where my considerations lie. I shall do my very best to study all parties and hopefully come to a reasonably informed conclusion.

Lovetopaint037 Thu 23-May-24 19:27:19

We need a change of government.
We need a centralist government.
Only Labour has any chance of offering that.
Now is not the time to be complacent. Vote with intelligence and above all do not have your decision swayed by the media who are are led by those with political bias.
Above all do not allow the extreme right wing to enter our Parliament.

varian Thu 23-May-24 19:36:52

Look at the situation in your constituency. If you have a Tory MP. look at the party which is the best contender.

It may be the party who came second last time, but also look at council elections. Vote in an informed way to get rid of the Tories.

Until we reform our voting system and become a democracy, we are saddled with the undemocratic FPTP system and need to vote tactically.

MayBee70 Thu 23-May-24 19:41:06

HousePlantQueen

Germanshepherdsmum

Tax is at the current level because of the money spent helping people during covid and the energy price and cost of living increases due to the war in Ukraine vegansrock. Things Labour hasn’t had to deal with, just sit on the sidelines sniping. Now what will they do if saddled with compensation to postmasters and victims of contaminated blood? That hasn’t been priced in as yet (and I trust they would continue funding equipment for the Ukraine).

So, following your argument; if the eye watering costs of compensation for the victims of the blood scandal and the post office are uncosted by Labour and a potential cause of tax rises.....where was Sunak planning on finding the money? By slashing retirement pensions to keep income tax down?

He’s not planning on finding the money because he knows he’ll be gone.

MayBee70 Thu 23-May-24 19:49:08

I don’t understand why people don’t trust Labour and would welcome examples of why people would find them untrustworthy.

Galaxy Thu 23-May-24 20:31:34

As a labour voter, I would say making fairly dramatic claims about reducing violence against women and girls, and then welcoming a woman who basically said victims of sexual assault are asking for it.