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Anybody else who doesn't know who to vote for?

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meddijess Thu 23-May-24 12:07:00

I would not vote Conservative, but I don't trust Labour not to open the floodgates to yet more people who really don't like us and want to do us harm. Who to vote for - any ideas?

MayBee70 Thu 23-May-24 21:34:11

And is that one of the most important issues facing the country at this moment in time?

Greyisnotmycolour Thu 23-May-24 21:42:17

If you don't want Conservative, you need to vote Ok about. It's that simple.

Greyisnotmycolour Thu 23-May-24 21:44:13

Oh gosh, we can't even edit posts on here. The above post should read Vote Labour. Sorry about my arthritic, fat fingers.

MayBee70 Thu 23-May-24 21:46:20

Greyisnotmycolour

Oh gosh, we can't even edit posts on here. The above post should read Vote Labour. Sorry about my arthritic, fat fingers.

I’m currently applying frozen peas and cream etc to my arthritic knee so I can go out canvassing!

Mamardoit Thu 23-May-24 22:03:27

varian

Look at the situation in your constituency. If you have a Tory MP. look at the party which is the best contender.

It may be the party who came second last time, but also look at council elections. Vote in an informed way to get rid of the Tories.

Until we reform our voting system and become a democracy, we are saddled with the undemocratic FPTP system and need to vote tactically.

Doesn't always work though does it. What about those who voted LibDeb to get rid of the Tories only to find them handing the keys to number 10 to David Cameron. Utterly disgraceful. The ultimate result of that was the Brexit referendum. I will never trust the LibDens again.

Who to vote for in July? Really don't know. I voted Green in the local elections but wouldn't vote for them nationally.

Galaxy Thu 23-May-24 22:05:07

Violence against women is very important to me yes. People have different priorities.
Perhaps you should have asked can people give me some examples that I will approve of.

MayBee70 Thu 23-May-24 22:11:41

Galaxy

Violence against women is very important to me yes. People have different priorities.
Perhaps you should have asked can people give me some examples that I will approve of.

I must admit that I am on the side of JK Rowling so I can see what you mean. However it isn’t something that would stop me voting Labour.

Galaxy Thu 23-May-24 22:16:03

Obviously I agree with JKR on most things grin but I meant the debacle over natalie elphicke.

Mamardoit Thu 23-May-24 22:20:43

MayBee70

Galaxy

Violence against women is very important to me yes. People have different priorities.
Perhaps you should have asked can people give me some examples that I will approve of.

I must admit that I am on the side of JK Rowling so I can see what you mean. However it isn’t something that would stop me voting Labour.

It's important to me too. Mainly because of the concerns I have for my six granddaughters and the country they are growing up in. I would say I also side with JKR but at the moment it is stopping me voting Labour.

maddyone Thu 23-May-24 22:33:26

I neither want another Conservative government nor a Labour government, so,where does that leave me?

LauraNorderr Thu 23-May-24 22:47:26

Sadly Maddy I think the answer is to vote against the one you least want to see in power.

valdali Thu 23-May-24 23:09:50

Where I live is die-hard Tory country, but Lib Dems usually second. If Reform have a candidate here, I'll probably vote Lib Dem & for the first time I'll actually be holding my breath to see if they can win. The last 5 years particularly have been absolutely dire, and surely we've never had a government as reckless with the economy as the conservatives during those 6 short but eventful weeks under Truss.I would rather vote Labour but got to be tactical.

Nannashirlz Thu 23-May-24 23:23:23

I won’t vote for my turn around doesn’t know who a woman is now he does labour opened the floodgates in the first place I’m thinking reform would have been Nigel but he not running grown to like him he speaks the truth but I’m still a starmer sitting on the fence lol

MayBee70 Thu 23-May-24 23:28:08

Mamardoit

MayBee70

Galaxy

Violence against women is very important to me yes. People have different priorities.
Perhaps you should have asked can people give me some examples that I will approve of.

I must admit that I am on the side of JK Rowling so I can see what you mean. However it isn’t something that would stop me voting Labour.

It's important to me too. Mainly because of the concerns I have for my six granddaughters and the country they are growing up in. I would say I also side with JKR but at the moment it is stopping me voting Labour.

But there are more dangers when it comes to our daughters and granddaughters. It was a Conservative MP that blocked the upskirting bill.
“Theresa May says she is "disappointed" an attempt to make upskirting a criminal offence in England and Wales did not progress through Parliament after one of her own MPs blocked it.
Conservatives have criticised Sir Christopher Chope for objecting to the private member's bill.
If passed, it could see someone who has secretly taken a photo under a victim's skirt face up to two years in prison.
The PM said she wanted to see it pass soon "with government support".
Minister for Women, Victoria Atkins, said the government will allocate time for the bill in Parliament to ensure it does not get pushed down the list of private members' bills, which would mean it could some time to return to the Commons.”
And I’m sure it was Rees Mogg that filibustered to prevent a bill that Jess Phillips was trying to get through parliament to protect women.I’d also be concerned that my granddaughter, when she’s of an age to have children of her own will give birth on a maternity ward that is fit for purpose.

merlotgran Thu 23-May-24 23:33:50

I know it’s early days but I gather from some conversations that more people than ever are not going to vote unless they are convinced that it’s worth putting their X in a box.

I’ve been a lifelong Tory supporter apart from one election back in the seventies when I voted Labour but when the party I normally support needs a kick up the a**e and the other one doesn’t fill me with confidence, to put it mildly, it feels like I might as well toss a coin.

Curtaintwitcher Fri 24-May-24 06:33:36

Interesting that so many here are undecided. The reason is obvious....not one of the parties is presenting themselves as a worthwhile choice to run this country.

Nicenanny3 Fri 24-May-24 08:14:38

Perhaps 'Better the Devil you Know' is the way to vote. I wouldn't trust Starmer and Labour.

Cossy Fri 24-May-24 08:51:06

Nicenanny3

Perhaps 'Better the Devil you Know' is the way to vote. I wouldn't trust Starmer and Labour.

Better the devil you know? Goodness I cannot think of a worse reason to vote Tory! Surely it’s about their policies and manifesto and their record thus far?

AGAA4 Fri 24-May-24 09:04:40

I am left with the choice of which of the parties will do the least harm.

Mollygo Fri 24-May-24 09:10:30

Cossy
Surely it’s about their policies and manifesto and their record thus far?

It surely is! I can think of plenty of reasons why to not vote Conservative.
But we have no idea how Labour would have handled Covid, or whether they’d have chanced a Brexit referendum.
We do know, from past experience, that any failure to meet manifesto promises will be blamed on the previous government, despite the fact that the promises are made in full knowledge of what awaits them.
I am very concerned, as others are, with housing, the NHS and the impact of wars on our country’s economy, rising prices, the unwillingness to support females against the insidious actions of some males and the backlash against those who truthfully say you cannot change sex.
However, one of my biggest problems is Keir Starmer. I trust him even less than Rishi Sunak and he’s leading the only other party with a real chance of winning this election.

Pittcity Fri 24-May-24 09:10:52

Varian, I would vote Lib Dem but our local candidate doesn't impress me. The first past the post system doesn't favour the Lib Dems or any other minority party.
I can see a lot of people voting Reform and a large chunk won't vote at all.

It's time to change the whole electoral system.

Mollygo Fri 24-May-24 09:12:41

Pittcity

*Varian*, I would vote Lib Dem but our local candidate doesn't impress me. The first past the post system doesn't favour the Lib Dems or any other minority party.
I can see a lot of people voting Reform and a large chunk won't vote at all.

It's time to change the whole electoral system.

It's time to change the whole electoral system
Yes but that isn’t going to happen when a party is certain to win, or sure they’ll stay in.

Casdon Fri 24-May-24 09:15:10

This would be electoral madness, surely?
news.sky.com/story/tory-minister-asked-whether-she-could-submit-no-confidence-letter-after-pm-announced-election-sky-news-understands-13142247
I really don’t see any logic in ousting the leader of the party in the middle of an election campaign.

Cossy Fri 24-May-24 09:22:18

Casdon

This would be electoral madness, surely?
news.sky.com/story/tory-minister-asked-whether-she-could-submit-no-confidence-letter-after-pm-announced-election-sky-news-understands-13142247
I really don’t see any logic in ousting the leader of the party in the middle of an election campaign.

Is this even allowed? I agree total madness and just a little pointless.

Mollygo Fri 24-May-24 09:23:37

Me neither, but could we have a vote of no confidence in the health minister?