Anybody else who doesn't know who to vote for?

I have been a Conservative voter most of my adult life but have lost faith over the last years.
I don't trust Labour to make any difference and possibly make things worse. I, too, find Starmer's stance on gender issues worrying. At least Sunak has said he knows what a woman is.
So a dilemma for me in July.

I voted Tony Blair and will never consider voting for labour now. They will open the floodgates wide and break our economy and our backs and our country

I would vote reform but will not be wasting my vote, so it will be conservative for me

I take on board GSM's point about eeading the manifestos (and obviously will do so) but I can't be the only person who also gets a 'gut' feeling about people.

Perhaps the increased taxation that Sunak is trying to frighten everyone with is the money needed to repair the damage done over the past 14 years? You know, the serious under investment in infrastructure, public services etc. So if this is the case, why is it Starmer's fault?

because we need a change was one reason why Labour lost when Conservatives got in. I don’t doubt it will be the same next time.
I just wish KS didn’t seem so untrustworthy to me.

Have you read the link I posted?

Labour for me.

24 pages of irrelevant criticism of another party does not make the Conservatives more electable.
They should be looking at their own massive disasters - how many unelected PMs have we had, Home Secretaries ?
Sacked ministers reemployed sacked again….chaos, scandals of all description; , its embarrassing. They should hang their heads in shame.

I still wait for 40 new hospitals, 45,000 new doctors, nurses ditto, etc etc, we all know what they promised and never delivered.

Try living in an area with a Plaid Cymru MP
No promises of any input from any party to coax you to vote for them as they know they don’t stand a chance

Houseplantqueen you are right. Over many years people have said they would not mind an extra penny on the pound to raise tax, especially if it’s ring fenced for the NHS, I am on the old pension rate but pay tax and would agree to a tax rise. We probably pay less tax than many other European countries where public services are better than here,

silverlining48 the U.K. electorate do not elect the PM of any party, we can only vote for the candidates in our own constituency.

Party members and/or elected MP’s vote for the PM.

Well, I’d be happy to pay more if he was going to be reformed, but I’m not happy just slinging more money at it.🤷‍♀️

Sorry - I meant if the NHS was going to be reformed.

Smileless2012

The gender nonsense I referred too is the belief that it's possible to change sex; the erosion of women's spaces; biological men competing against women in sports and the language that pertains to women, being replaced with 'chest feeders', 'people who bleed' and 'people with a cervix'.

I am not comfortable with a PM from any party being either unable or unwilling to say what a woman is. Nor am I comfortable with the Green Party expelling members for speaking the truth that biology determines sex.

Ok, thanks for explaining, and yes, I have to agree that much nonsense has been spouted around some transgender issues.

I just don’t want to hear ever again that neither Sunak nor Starmer know what a woman us, you’re all perfectly aware that they know very well what a woman is having both married one! It’s boring, boring, boring!

silverlining48

24 pages of irrelevant criticism of another party does not make the Conservatives more electable.
They should be looking at their own massive disasters - how many unelected PMs have we had, Home Secretaries ?
Sacked ministers reemployed sacked again….chaos, scandals of all description; , its embarrassing. They should hang their heads in shame.

I still wait for 40 new hospitals, 45,000 new doctors, nurses ditto, etc etc, we all know what they promised and never delivered.

That’s not the point. The point is what the cost of Labour’s proposals will be to each and every one of us - and those are only the proposals revealed thus far. I await hearing what this ‘commercial taxation’ is all about and how that will affect what the parties love to call ‘hard working people’. The next few weeks will be interesting.

I too would be more than willing pay a penny or even tuppence more per £ of my taxes if it meant workable, efficient and effective public services. No more quangos though thanks.

I wouldn't judge a potential prime minister by their answer to the question of 'what a woman is' and I wouldn't be impressed by a party undertaking to prioritise the issue of gender identity.

I have tended to vote for the best candidate for my area, which for several years has been a very pro active, visual Conservative lady MP. Unfortunately due to boundary changes we have lost her, I'm not sure on new one, who was a local MP in the nearby constituency . She has been very high profile in the recent past, but I'm not sure I can vote for her.
I'm not sure what to do?
What ever happens, it's going to be a very low turn out, that might include me.

Just 1p or 2p more tax Cossy? You’ll be lucky!

My local MP is that fantastically brilliant ex chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng. He doesn’t live in the borough unsurprisingly. The trouble with my area is that you could put a blue rosette on a dustbin and they’d vote for it. It’s so frustrating to live in an area that you know your vote won’t make a difference.

He's a Corker, that one.

Whethertomorrow

My local MP is that fantastically brilliant ex chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng. He doesn’t live in the borough unsurprisingly. The trouble with my area is that you could put a blue rosette on a dustbin and they’d vote for it. It’s so frustrating to live in an area that you know your vote won’t make a difference.

Same in my area, although the incumbent Tory MP was pretty good. But, he’s retiring.

The only chance here is to vote LD, on a tactical basis. Labour will never be elected.

Germanshepherdsmum

Just 1p or 2p more tax Cossy? You’ll be lucky!

Per £? We shall see. Whilst working under this govt, as a Civil Servant, year on year I was worse off financially, pay freezes for years and years, increased cost of our pensions and all the other stuff culminating with freezing the personal allowance, how much worse can it be under Labour?

Whethertomorrow

My local MP is that fantastically brilliant ex chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng. He doesn’t live in the borough unsurprisingly. The trouble with my area is that you could put a blue rosette on a dustbin and they’d vote for it. It’s so frustrating to live in an area that you know your vote won’t make a difference.

Bit like my constituency!

Whethertomorrow

My local MP is that fantastically brilliant ex chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng. He doesn’t live in the borough unsurprisingly. The trouble with my area is that you could put a blue rosette on a dustbin and they’d vote for it. It’s so frustrating to live in an area that you know your vote won’t make a difference.

Same here. Regrettably, many if them seem to be happy with the decline in public services (and in the morals of the Tory party), just as long as they don't have to pay anymore tax. The "I'm alright, Jack" party would be more appropriate here. Because of this ultra safe seat, other parties don't field inspiring candidates, just a name on the voting slip. Luckily, this also applies to the more bonkers and niche parties such as Reform and their rehashed unicorns for all/Brexit promises.