Starmer’s a decent bloke!

GrannyGravy13

I was born late 50’s I cannot remember a time we didn’t have a telephone nor my grandparents.

You were posh 😁

Oh I shall look forward to a debate between the two.

Yes I'm sure access to a telephone would have meant a public phone box within walking distance. I can remember my dad waiting outside a public telephone box to receive a pre planed call. We've established those figures are consistent with the USA census of 1960, not the UK, and would refer to private home phones.

All irrelevant as to how good a PM Starmer will be after July 4th. I hope and believe he could be, despite my misgivings over the way he's treated Rosie Duffield, where I seem to be alone in thinking it's been disgraceful.

Callistemon21

GrannyGravy13

I was born late 50’s I cannot remember a time we didn’t have a telephone nor my grandparents.

You were posh 😁

🤣🤣🤣

I have been called much worse on the N & P threads…

dragonfly46

I am not sure that being a decent bloke necessarily qualifies you to lead the country.

Surely, it ought to count? Hasn't the world as such not far too many politicians who cannot distinguish truth from lies, have no idea of serving their country or anyone except themselves, and who are patently dishonest?

Can you really be surprised that pointing out that a candidate is decent, kindly, hardworking or truthful might just endear him or her to the electorate?

"None of the Above" is just not going to be a choice this time, is it. Although that's how I feel at the moment.

DH listened to Sunak on the lunch-time news who proposes increasing the tax free allowance for pensioners. His comment was "What a load of 🐂💩"

Sunak was addressing a group of mainly younger people who were looking bemused to say the least.

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

GrannyGravy13

I was born late 50’s I cannot remember a time we didn’t have a telephone nor my grandparents.

You were posh 😁

🤣🤣🤣

I have been called much worse on the N & P threads…

I don't mind 😁
Some of my best friends at school were posh!

Looks and sounds like a thoroughly decent,intelligent guy without the desire for 'celebrity status'. Nowt wrong with that

The Debate:

Sunak: I have a plan.
Starmer: 14 years of chaos.

The End.

Wyllow3

MaizieD

vintageclassics

Shame he fabricates his working class roots - he says his father was a toolmaker - his father actually owned a toolmaking factory. What else isn't quite true?

Shame people repeat completely made up stories.

Starmer's father trained up as a toolmaker as an apprentice then went on to work for himself, just as an expert electrician or other skilled craftsman/woman might as sole trader.

This has been established so many time on other threads!

I know it has. But, no matter how many times a story is proven to be untrue you can bet your life that people will still shamelessly repeat it. 😱

Not sure about Starmer. Looks like we'll be having a Labour Government - let's hope they'll do a better job this time. Their policies are very vague and worrying.

Callistemon21

GrannyGravy13

I was born late 50’s I cannot remember a time we didn’t have a telephone nor my grandparents.

You were posh 😁

I didn’t have an indoor toilet or a bathroom till I left home at 17. Mum and dad never had a phone. The only person in our road that owned a car was the local shopkeeper.

vintageclassics

Shame he fabricates his working class roots - he says his father was a toolmaker - his father actually owned a toolmaking factory. What else isn't quite true?

Really! I didn’t know that!

NanKate

Starmer seems wobbly on defining what a woman is. 😳

Indeed. He couldn’t bring himself to agree that only a woman can have a cervix, famously stating ‘you can’t say that!’
And followed it up with ‘99 pct of women do not have a penis.’
No Kier, if you have or ever had a penis you are not a woman, you are male (or a castrated male. But still male.)
Moreover his treatnent of Rosie Duffield is vile.
As the 19th century feminist Susan B Anthony said ‘No self-respecting woman should ever work or wish for the success of a party that ignores her sex.’
As true as ever.

maddyone

vintageclassics

Shame he fabricates his working class roots - he says his father was a toolmaker - his father actually owned a toolmaking factory. What else isn't quite true?

Really! I didn’t know that!

You didn't know that, maddyone' because it isn't true, as *Wyllow3 pointed out a few posts earlier on this page. His father had a one man business. Just like lots of tradespeople have.

Please stop targeting me Maizie.

She was just informing you that what you’ve been told about him is a lie. I can’t see a problem with that.

I'm not 'targeting' you. I would have responded the same way to anyone else who'd said the same thing.

I have taken the trouble to do a little research and it seems KS’s father had a one man business, run from rented premises.
He did not work on the factory floor as claimed.
If I consider that I have been targeted today, more than once, I would be pleased if others would not try to become involved.

MaizieD

I'm not 'targeting' you. I would have responded the same way to anyone else who'd said the same thing.

I’m feeling differently.

My American family are over here at present. They are moaning that they will have the choice of two useless and worrying politicians as potential leaders.

We haven’t got the same extremes, but we have two uninspiring leaders, one of whom will be PM in July.

Just a case of who the majority think will do the least damage.🤷‍♀️

So do you do toolmaking in an office? What would you describe the place in which he did his toolmaking in ?You’re obviously still trying to make Keir out to be a liar

I’m not engaging any longer with the unpleasantness on this thread.

I’ve read various newspaper articles , summaries and Wikipedia. The consensus is Rodney Starmer was a toolmaker. He worked long hours, devoted himself to caring for his wife who had significant health problems. The couple named Keir after Keir Hardie, they were committed Labour supporters.
Rodney seems to have been an emotionally distant father to Keir. KS regrets not having tried harder in his relationship with his father
Company House has no record of Rodney Starmer owing a factory. It seems that like many other skilled craftsmen, he was self employed.
Keir won a place at grammar school. It became fed paying whilst he was a pupil but like others who were pupils before fees were introduced, he didn’t pay.
He won a scholarship to fund 6th form education. Got a good degree so won a place at Oxford for his Masters. His legal career is impressive.
Yet - some seek to sneer or fib

MayBee70

So do you do toolmaking in an office? What would you describe the place in which he did his toolmaking in ?You’re obviously still trying to make Keir out to be a liar

A workshop? That is not exactly a factory.