Donald Trump a convicted felon

It’s shocking what they’re doing to Trump, I hope the American people are watching closely and realise what lengths the Democrats will go to to silence the opposition they’ll be sorry come November.

Nmama

I don't know if this is factual, but since someone asked what he was like as a child: apparently some neighbor had left her baby in the back garden, heard it crying, and went out to find that Trump, around 6 years old, was throwing rocks at the pram. I cannot IMAGINE what in his childhood would give him the idea that doing that was amusing or acceptable. To me it seems like he was a sociopath even as a child.

This, however, IS factual: his parents and teachers found him so difficult that they sent him away to school, to a military academy. They didn't send any of their other children away to school-not his two brothers, say.

I'm just sitting here in California hoping that his followers don't think this is a good time to riot. I hope that I am just being paranoid.

Normally, in a year with a presidential election, people would have bumper stickers on their cars stating "Biden" or "Trump"; sometimes people put up signs in their front gardens so that the world driving by can see which candidate they support. I live in a small town where there's a lot of support for Biden, but I have not seen a single bumper sticker or yard sign for him. I frankly am too scared to put one up (and it would be for Biden). On the other had, on the highway out of town--which goes through a rural area--I have seen three or four MASSIVE signs saying "TRUMP" and one saying "TRUMP OR DIE." Ick. I keep wondering what the person with the TRUMP OR DIE sign is going to do if Trump loses the election.

I got chatting to a lovely lady who originates from America and she said that, in the current political climate and with the threat of Trump being re elected she will not go back to visit her family. I remember chatting to someone else who was on holiday here who said that, back home in America Trump was such a divisive figure that support for him had split families. It’s nightmarish to think that he might become president again. My partner has said for years that all he is interested in is creating a Trump dynasty.

I'm getting the distinct impression that sane and rational Americans are becoming extremely fearful of Trump's complete contempt for the law of the land and the threat of violence from his cult followers.

So would I be, especially in a country where any psychopath can buy themselves a whole armoury of deadly weapons. And most of them are Trump cultists.

Urmstongran

Boris Johnson has dismissed Donald Trump’s conviction as the result of a liberal “hit job” that would only make his re-election more likely.

The former prime minister, who enjoyed warm relations with the then president while in office, said: “This was no ordinary political assassination. This was a machine-gun mob-style hit-job on Trump.”

But he said the “anti-Trump lawfare is backfiring”, and has “helped to make his victory more likely, not less” in his rematch with Joe Biden.

Interesting!

But he said the “anti-Trump lawfare is backfiring”, and has “helped to make his victory more likely, not less” in his rematch with Joe Biden.

He's probably right in his assumption.

But I think one could view their warm relationship with some cynicism... more as one of political expediency, one of convenience for Johnson - bearing in mind he is on record as saying some rather unflattering things about Trump - accusing him of stupefying ignorance, saying he was unfit for office, when he was mayor of London.

Urmstongran

It’s shocking what they’re doing to Trump, I hope the American people are watching closely and realise what lengths the Democrats will go to to silence the opposition they’ll be sorry come November.

Urms, I cannot believe you are saying this. I really cannot.

I think it WILL backfire on the Anti Trumpers. Let’s face it - the alternative is an old boy who doesn’t know where he is, can’t walk up steps and doesn’t know what he is talking about. Mind you, they’re not really voting for him but the faceless person pulling his strings.

I think Urns might be jesting.

Ladyleftfieldlover

I think Urns might be jesting.

No, she's utterly, deadly serious.

According to the betting pundits it looks as if my bet on Trump to win is still relatively safe.

Urmstongran

It’s shocking what they’re doing to Trump, I hope the American people are watching closely and realise what lengths the Democrats will go to to silence the opposition they’ll be sorry come November.

I am a US citizen and a New Yorker your statement is offensive! This implies that the hard work of 12 jurors during the Trump trial was for nothing ? That Trump is somehow innocent ? He is not and is guilty and it took many years of collecting proper evidence . I applaud the hard work of the District Attorney and the jurors who gave up a part of their lives to make sure that justice was served!
This is Trump’s true legacy:
34 felony convictions
54 pending criminal charges
2 impeachments
2 popular vote losses
$88M owed to E Jean Carroll
$450M owed for civil fraud
$8T added to nat'l debt
2.9M net loss of jobs

Is this what Trump meant when he promised "numbers like we've never seen"?

Primrose53

I think it WILL backfire on the Anti Trumpers. Let’s face it - the alternative is an old boy who doesn’t know where he is, can’t walk up steps and doesn’t know what he is talking about. Mind you, they’re not really voting for him but the faceless person pulling his strings.

Again : Nonsense ! Biden is doing just fine and if the tabloid press wants to exaggerate every misstep that comes with travel and the big decisions that come with the Ptesidential office … well that sells papers for naive people to read . Trump spent most of his time watching Fox News . You only have to read what his previous advisors have said about him : he was a danger that always had to be looked out for !

If anyone's interested and hasn't been following this particular podcast already, this latest one is interesting as it discuses the verdict, what happens now and what is most likely to happen to Trump.

Veteran prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord discuss and dissect the cases against former President Donald Trump, including the historic indictments from the Manhattan D.A., Special Counsel Jack Smith and Fulton County D.A. Fani Willis

link.chtbl.com/kKDwm9Yw

Has he still got the Southern Baptist vote ? There are a lot of them and if he has it will make a huge difference. The people at the church I used to go to, including many Americans from down South living over here, was very pro Trump. There will be trouble ahead whatever and I wouldn’t want to live there or even visit just now.

Was = were ,being pedantic!

It is so good to hear from a US citizen, who are living the Trump nightmare.

I am too old to see it, but I would love to see what history will make of this period of USA history and the reasons for this apparent insanity.

What I do think is that something is very wrong with the American democracy at the moment.

From the Supreme Court with just 9 people being able decide life changing decisions - and they are there for life, to Congress to gerrymandering districts to electoral college - all of it is putting pressure of the democratic process.

My question to our USA friends is

Do you think Trump will get away with Schedule F? It sounds to me that if he does it will fundamentally change America democracy. Sounds like the gestapo to me😮😮😮.

There is a lot of "equivalencing" going on at the moment. The subject of the Trump result came up at our regular granglais group last night. One friend, extremely well educated kept saying "but Biden kept quiet about Hunter's drug dealing" whilst Trump is being attacked. I tried to explain about the payments to Stormy Daniels - by whom they were made and how the lawyer was reimbursed by campaign funds. She just didn't get it.

I explained again and her response that information was not in the articles she had read.

This is similar to the response about Angela Rayner's son. To my mind the actions of these two sons, both adults, has nothing to do with their parents. The American Right are trying hard to find dirt on Jo Biden as are the English Right on AR.

Interestingly a French understood Trump's result quite clearly.

Whitewavemark2

What I do think is that something is very wrong with the American democracy at the moment.

From the Supreme Court with just 9 people being able decide life changing decisions - and they are there for life, to Congress to gerrymandering districts to electoral college - all of it is putting pressure of the democratic process.

Our own courts also make life changing decisions and judges continue in post until they are 70, which may be extended to 75. The big difference, of course, is that they are not political appointments. We have an independent judiciary.

70 or 75 is not 'there for life', though, is it, GSM?

As a letter in today’s Times asks, he can stand in a courtroom, unanimously convicted by a jury - and say that it was rigged and the judge is corrupt - what do you have to do in the US to be charged with contempt of court?

Wasn't he found in contempt of court a number of times during the trial?

The interesting thing about Trump is that he demonstrates that practically nothing can be done to bring into line a person who completely ignores all laws.

Germanshepherdsmum

Whitewavemark2

What I do think is that something is very wrong with the American democracy at the moment.

From the Supreme Court with just 9 people being able decide life changing decisions - and they are there for life, to Congress to gerrymandering districts to electoral college - all of it is putting pressure of the democratic process.

Our own courts also make life changing decisions and judges continue in post until they are 70, which may be extended to 75. The big difference, of course, is that they are not political appointments. We have an independent judiciary.

The clue is in the word “supreme”

In the uk parliament retains supremacy.

MaizieD

Wasn't he found in contempt of court a number of times during the trial?

The interesting thing about Trump is that he demonstrates that practically nothing can be done to bring into line a person who completely ignores all laws.

Worse than that - Trump has threatened all those who have thwarted or criticised him By invoking what he is calling Schedule F.

Amongst other really alarming stuff, schedule F will allow him to rid the country of left leaning media outlets and empower the FDI to carry out his threat of going after (whatever that means) critics etc.

Not so. We have separation of powers, an independent judiciary. The Supreme Court has supremacy over lower courts, and its decisions are binding on them.