Keir starmer

MayBee70

Well, for one thing her reference to grubby little lawyers is pretty unpleasant, too.

If as she says they are strangers to ethics and the truth and some have been struck off then they definitely ARE grubby little lawyers!

Germanshepherdsmum

As I’m sure you know, Elgran, I’m talking about the grubby little law firms who depend on legal aid to represent illegal immigrants, who we as taxpayers effectively pay and who take vast amounts out of the legal aid budget. Lawyers who are strangers to ethics and the truth, hence some have been struck off.

I too find it ominous Chestnut. My son lives in a beautiful village which adjoins one in which there is an asylum seekers’ centre. They are seen wandering aimlessly around my son’s village, where as a result of the nearby centre the property market is absolutely dead. They have been placed in a totally inappropriate rural area with no services. However, I realise that Rayner’s intelligence is limited so this is not something she would understand, let alone care about. I wonder if Labour are preparing ‘Immigrants Welcome’ signs, a la Mutti?

Your report about Wethersfield isn't the whole picture. Don't forget I'm familiar with it too.

What is the whole picture growstuff?

Your comments about ‘pretending to be gay’ are repeating a Braverman lie, GSM. The Home Office confirmed, in November 2023 in response to an FoI request from Open Democracy, that there was no evidence to substantiate her claim.

I would like to know too. Is growstuff’s knowledge greater than that of someone (who is not a racist) who lives in the next village?

Chestnut

MayBee70

Germanshepherdsmum

As I’m sure you know, Elgran, I’m talking about the grubby little law firms who depend on legal aid to represent illegal immigrants, who we as taxpayers effectively pay and who take vast amounts out of the legal aid budget. Lawyers who are strangers to ethics and the truth, hence some have been struck off.

I too find it ominous Chestnut. My son lives in a beautiful village which adjoins one in which there is an asylum seekers’ centre. They are seen wandering aimlessly around my son’s village, where as a result of the nearby centre the property market is absolutely dead. They have been placed in a totally inappropriate rural area with no services. However, I realise that Rayner’s intelligence is limited so this is not something she would understand, let alone care about. I wonder if Labour are preparing ‘Immigrants Welcome’ signs, a la Mutti?

What a horrible snobbish thing to say about Rayner.

GSM has just posted a seriously worrying story about the migrants and all you can worry about is a mention of Angela Rayner! What is your response to the story?

Well, a friend of mine runs a support group for local asylum seekers. They help out in the local community. Would probably be working if they were processed quicker. If it was closer to me and my health was bit better I’d be helping her.

When the OP is about a specific lefty lawyer, and you then use the exact description in a post, do you really expect anyone to believe that yours was a non sequitur, and you didn't mean the same person?

Working as what? And helping out how? Have they all passed a DBS check?

Honestly, I’m utterly appalled at some of the comments on here, the awful expressions used, the constant assertion that the LP will open “the floodgates” to let in “all” the asylum seekers, with absolutely no evidence of this.

Some of the remarks about Human Rights Lawyers are so unfair and quite appalling. I agree that “pretending” to be gay/Christian etc is totally wrong and I’d say, frankly, some lawyers in all areas are inept and unprofessional, however, and I’m sure I’m not alone, I’d want a lawyer to fight my corner if I ever had an issue with my human rights!

Germanshepherdsmum

Working as what? And helping out how? Have they all passed a DBS check?

I think you know they cannot be DBS checked GSM, and they do not need to be unless they are being left alone with vulnerable groups of people, and I’m sure that they are not left alone!

MayBee70 Well, a friend of mine runs a support group for local asylum seekers. They help out in the local community. Would probably be working if they were processed quicker. If it was closer to me and my health was bit better I’d be helping her.

That is great in an area where help is needed in the local community. There are some very run down areas which would benefit greatly from volunteers. However, the area where the centre is located is very rural with a low population, so I doubt the area requires help from asylum seekers.

Cossy, we are paying these lawyers. What we pay them comes from the legal aid budget. My remarks are made as a lawyer to whom professional ethics and integrity are paramount. This is nothing to do with being inept or unprofessional. It’s about lying and fabricating stories and advising that being baptised or pretending to be gay will get you through an appeal tribunal. Do you think that’s remotely acceptable? If you had a human rights issue there are plenty of decent law firms who would act for you - but with integrity and within the bounds of professional ethics.

BevSec

I have heard reports of boatloads waiting until Starmer gets elected before making the crossing 😱

Yes you read this in The Telegraph, a right wing paper. Immigrants in France are entitled to say whatever they wish, and newspapers are free to print it.

It doesn’t make what they say true or factual.

Germanshepherdsmum

*Cossy*, we are paying these lawyers. What we pay them comes from the legal aid budget. My remarks are made as a lawyer to whom professional ethics and integrity are paramount. This is nothing to do with being inept or unprofessional. It’s about lying and fabricating stories and advising that being baptised or pretending to be gay will get you through an appeal tribunal. Do you think that’s remotely acceptable? If you had a human rights issue there are plenty of decent law firms who would act for you - but with integrity and within the bounds of professional ethics.

I get that, so it’s not ALL human rights lawyers you so dislike? Just those who “cheat” the system? I’m with you there. I also know how small the legal aid budget is now and how many deserving people are denied it.

Chestnut

MayBee70 Well, a friend of mine runs a support group for local asylum seekers. They help out in the local community. Would probably be working if they were processed quicker. If it was closer to me and my health was bit better I’d be helping her.

That is great in an area where help is needed in the local community. There are some very run down areas which would benefit greatly from volunteers. However, the area where the centre is located is very rural with a low population, so I doubt the area requires help from asylum seekers.

Well, that’s the fault of the people who decided to send them there, not the asylum seekers themselves.

Of course I don’t dislike all human rights lawyers, some do excellent work for the repressed, but far too many are paid from the meagre legal aid budget to concoct cases for illegal immigrants which the appeal tribunal judges have to accept - for instance someone who has been baptised cannot be sent back to an Islamic country where that is a cardinal sin, nor can someone who says they are gay be sent back to a country where homosexuality carries the death penalty. As a lawyer I simply cannot identify with this. We are officers of the court with a duty not to mislead the court. I have always considered honesty and integrity to be all that I have at the end of the day.

They are seen wandering aimlessly around my son’s village, where as a result of the nearby centre the property market is absolutely dead

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-67929185

Given that the people seeking asylum are here and have been placed in the village, what would you have them do I wonder?

Thankfully, not everybody is as inhospitable.

Germanshepherdsmum

Of course I don’t dislike all human rights lawyers, some do excellent work for the repressed, but far too many are paid from the meagre legal aid budget to concoct cases for illegal immigrants which the appeal tribunal judges have to accept - for instance someone who has been baptised cannot be sent back to an Islamic country where that is a cardinal sin, nor can someone who says they are gay be sent back to a country where homosexuality carries the death penalty. As a lawyer I simply cannot identify with this. We are officers of the court with a duty not to mislead the court. I have always considered honesty and integrity to be all that I have at the end of the day.

I don’t have an issue with this. Your opinion I mean.

Whilst I do support the right to request asylum in any country of that person’s choice, I don’t support lies of any type to make it so that someone meets the criteria. For lawyers to lie or suggest people claim to be something they are not is utterly reprehensible.

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zakouma66

*They are seen wandering aimlessly around my son’s village, where as a result of the nearby centre the property market is absolutely dead*

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-67929185

Given that the people seeking asylum are here and have been placed in the village, what would you have them do I wonder?

Thankfully, not everybody is as inhospitable.

So why put them there in the first place. It will be the same as and when Scampton opens, middle of nowhere. Trouble will follow sure as eggs are eggs. I've tried to be reasonable with my neighbour, but its like sucking eggs, you get nowhere. Now I don't bother.

Thanks Cossy. I’m glad you agree about the importance of ethics and truth in legal practice.

Germanshepherdsmum

Thanks Cossy. I’m glad you agree about the importance of ethics and truth in legal practice.

I most certainly do, and to be honest, applied to much of life too!

Freya5

zakouma66

They are seen wandering aimlessly around my son’s village, where as a result of the nearby centre the property market is absolutely dead

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-67929185

Given that the people seeking asylum are here and have been placed in the village, what would you have them do I wonder?

Thankfully, not everybody is as inhospitable.

So why put them there in the first place. It will be the same as and when Scampton opens, middle of nowhere. Trouble will follow sure as eggs are eggs. I've tried to be reasonable with my neighbour, but its like sucking eggs, you get nowhere. Now I don't bother.

Sorry, I'm slightly confused.

Your neighbour is a person seeking asylum who is unpleasant?

would you feel safe with a lot of single men roaming around, especially those from countries which treat women as second class citizens and consider white women fair game?

Unbelievable really.

Not unbelievable. How would you feel if you lived alone in such a rural area, some houses being very remote?