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What is it that attracts racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes and general bigots to Nigel Farage?

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 28-Jun-24 10:25:05

I’ve pinched this question from James O’Brian. And to me it is obvious, - they are fascists - talking about replacing the police with paramilitaries and bringing back the death penalty as well as shoot f….g immigrants has huge echoes of 1930s Germany.

So why would you vote for him?

MayBee70 Sat 29-Jun-24 19:46:04

Whitewavemark2

Iam64

No, I can only speak fir myself but if Labour win and Farage is trounced, I certainly wont be bored

Nor me, because I shall be watching the government like a hawk to be satisfied that they have the country and its people at the centre of their policies.

Absolutely. I might have voted for them but I will hold them to account in much the same way that I have done with the current government in it's multiple incarnations. Which has always been part of Labours problems in that we don't just follow the party line in everything they do.

Iam64 Sat 29-Jun-24 19:51:20

Exactly so whitewave and MayBe Labour Party members don’t always toe the party line. challenge and high expectations needed, attempting to undermine the leader as a matter of principle notb

HousePlantQueen Sat 29-Jun-24 19:53:23

Me too, as someone responsible (hopefully) for putting them in government, I shall be holding the LP to account. Unlike some Tory supporters, I do not agree with everything the LP does, but I will sleep better when I know the racists and climate change deniers don't have a voice in the house via Farage.

Doodledog Sat 29-Jun-24 19:54:32

I'm all in favour of debate, and of holding politicians and governments to account.

What I want to stop is the unpleasantness. I suppose Thursday is still early days, and people will be licking their wounds for a while after that, though.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 29-Jun-24 20:00:42

Yes it’s good to know we are not herd like🐑.

Sky is running an article looking back and the Tory government 😮 bit previous.

But Anthony Seldon - the historian - thinks that amongst a couple of successes they were mostly a failure. They were incapable of putting national interest above Party interest - didn’t we know it!

Whitewavemark2 Sat 29-Jun-24 20:06:15

Just listening to “things can only get better” and found myself grinning like mad!

Kandinsky Sat 29-Jun-24 20:14:30

It’s interesting how younger, traditionally labour voting women, are not at all happy with Labour and KS and actually fear them getting in. It’s all to do with the Trans debate which seems to pass the elderly on here by.
Mumsnet ( which is as left wing as this place ) rip KS apart.

Shinamae Sat 29-Jun-24 20:21:45

HousePlantQueen

Honestly....there are none so blind as they who will not see. Even your beloved GB news have dismissed the claims that Ch4 set Farage up.

I have come to the unhappy conclusion, evidenced by the dismissal of all proof, and by the desperate claim that GN is a hotbed of rabid lefties, that some on here share the same disgusting views as Farage. Shame on you

More insults??…..
You cut me to the quick………..NOT 😂😂😂😂😂

Whitewavemark2 Sat 29-Jun-24 20:24:39

Kandinsky

It’s interesting how younger, traditionally labour voting women, are not at all happy with Labour and KS and actually fear them getting in. It’s all to do with the Trans debate which seems to pass the elderly on here by.
Mumsnet ( which is as left wing as this place ) rip KS apart.

Yes, I am sure everyone is aware of the Trans debate, but as far as I am concerned, that is one issue out of so many more important issues.

NHS, economy, cost of living, housing and Brexit and climate change - trans-gender/women issues of course must be respected and both groups given safe spaces, but my energies go into making everyone’s basic life’s needs met, and the political party best able to achieve that.

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 20:27:43

Always find it interesting that some in GN perceive it as left wing and some perceive it as right wing!

Siope Sat 29-Jun-24 20:28:00

Shinamae

HousePlantQueen

Honestly....there are none so blind as they who will not see. Even your beloved GB news have dismissed the claims that Ch4 set Farage up.

I have come to the unhappy conclusion, evidenced by the dismissal of all proof, and by the desperate claim that GN is a hotbed of rabid lefties, that some on here share the same disgusting views as Farage. Shame on you

More insults??…..
You cut me to the quick………..NOT 😂😂😂😂😂

Some younger traditional Labour voters, far from all, or even a majority.. Even on the very atypical Mumsnet, lots of women recognise that there are a multiplicity of issues which affect women, and the trans debate (which has not passes Gransnet by at all) is not the only thing to be considered.

Siope Sat 29-Jun-24 20:29:43

Well, epic fail posting. I meant to quote Kandinsky. My point stands though

Doodledog Sat 29-Jun-24 20:31:54

It certainly hasn't passed me by, and judging by the various threads on here there are other 'elderly' who are aware enough of feminist issues to be concerned about it 😂😂. Just because we post on here doesn't mean we don't post on MN too, and not all MN posters are 'younger' than we 'elderly'.

As WWM2 says, though - there are too many other pressing issues to let that one get in the way of changing the country for the better. If necessary we can continue to put pressure on KS and the rest of the cabinet when they are in government.

Kandinsky Sat 29-Jun-24 20:39:50

It’s just interesting that younger women are far more critical of labour and their views on women / trans issues than older women who were possibly at the forefront of the feminist movement?

Iam64 Sat 29-Jun-24 20:41:07

Kandinsky

It’s interesting how younger, traditionally labour voting women, are not at all happy with Labour and KS and actually fear them getting in. It’s all to do with the Trans debate which seems to pass the elderly on here by.
Mumsnet ( which is as left wing as this place ) rip KS apart.

How have you missed the numerous threads where trans issues have been discussed? It certainly hasn’t ’passed the elderly on here by’.
It raises real high feelings here, as it does in the dark side. Many of us on this forum share the concerns on mumsnet.
The trans activists have ensured this important issue gets huge media coverage. My feeling is yes it’s important but over shadowed by the devastation of public services directly caused by our government and the hope labour will attempt the need to improve things

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 20:51:29

One thing I've noticed on mumsnet is far, far more concerns and conflict about Palestine then in GN.

Doodledog Sat 29-Jun-24 20:55:37

Kandinsky

It’s just interesting that younger women are far more critical of labour and their views on women / trans issues than older women who were possibly at the forefront of the feminist movement?

I don't think that's the case, Kandinsky. It may appear so on here, but trans issues are not a left/right thing. Both left and right-leaning women unite on this issue as it is more personal than political.

I am unhappy with the LP's stance on this, but I am more unhappy with the Tories' trashing of the economy, their lack of concern for the poor, and too many other issues to mention without ranting to vote for them. I will, therefore, vote Labour, and continue to put pressure on the LP on this issue. I doubt that many people are 100% behind all the policies of any party - it's always a case of finding the one that is closest to your core values, even if they aren't in total alignment.

Also, I really don't think the MN/GN split is as great as you suggest. I post on both, and expect that others do too. MN has a lot of older members - probably more than there are 'young' ones on here.

choughdancer Sat 29-Jun-24 20:57:39

Dickens

Curtaintwitcher

The problem with our country at the moment is that there are too many people who just don't care or haven't the wherewithal to consider the consequences of....unlimited numbers of immigrants flooding into the country......our children being poorly educated.....the increase in crime, etc.
Those who do have the courage to protest are labelled with insults.
People like Farage are
bringing the problems out into the open and giving patriots a voice.

Curtaintwitcher, there might well be those who don't care about the consequences, but I suspect they're more likely to be those who use the issue as a means to rattle the chains of an electorate being bombarded with propaganda about immigrants as the cause of our economic problems in order to cover up the fact that the real cause is years of public services and infrastructure underfunding and cost cutting, coupled with privatisation which results in money being sucked out of the economy.

Obviously, immigration in large numbers is going to add to those problems, but it's not the root cause.

And why do you assume that patriotism is the preserve only of people like Farage?

... and what the heck is patriotism anyway? If I want to see the country, as a whole, become a more equitable nation without the huge wealth gap between the very wealthy and the impoverished, one where everyone gets an opportunity to create a fairly decent life for themselves - not to mention one whose government is respected on the world-stage... does that make me unpatriotic?

Immigration is a problem - but it's a global problem not one that only affects us, and it's going to escalate, and it's not one we can just opt out of. And certainly not one that can in any way be managed by cutting the funding of those government departments and agencies that deal with the nitty-gritty of processing immigrants' claims.

Do you think those of us who want a more temperate debate / discussion on immigration are ignorant of the fact that among those immigrants coming to our shores there will inevitably be criminals, trouble-makers, fraudsters, and those whose staunchly held belief in a culture alien to our own will cause friction? We are aware of these things - Farage is not educating anyone, he's rabble-rousing - attempting to garner support by playing on the fears and insecurities of a nation that is suffering an economic crisis / downturn.

It's quite obvious, if you take a look at the whole picture and consider the number of immigrants - from various nations - living peacefully and working productively, especially in our health services, that the biggest problem that besets the country is not immigrants or immigration - it's 14 years under governments that have focused their attention on keeping the status-quo, looking after, primarily, the interests of their donors, backers and assorted vested-interests at the expense of the majority of the population who've endured the same number of year's worth of austerity, watching the services they rely on diminish to the point where an ever-increasing number of people find it impossible to access them, where taxpayers are funding employers who won't pay a wage workers can live on, where full-time, worthwhile jobs are disappearing to be replaced by the 'flexibility' of a labour force that has to juggle gig-economy / contract work, most of it low-paid, and somehow find affordable accommodation in a high-rent market, where crime is out of control in certain areas and there aren't sufficient numbers of police to even attempt to deal with it...

Immigration is not the cause of these problems. If you put a ring of steel around the whole of our island and ended the arrival of the boats in one swoop - the government would still carry on with its public-spending cuts, privatisation policies, etc... and would then find a new scapegoat for the problems its ideology creates.

Farage knows all this.

So clearly said Dickens. Thank you for putting into words exactly what I feel!

MayBee70 Sat 29-Jun-24 21:23:57

Thank you Dickens. You’ve pretty much summarised a lot of things that I’ve been wanting to say and have done it much better than I could.

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 22:12:23

👍

Chestnut Sat 29-Jun-24 23:11:17

Just spotted this:
Quote: "Sir Keir has promised to cancel Mr Sunak's policy of sending migrants to Rwanda on 'day one' of a Labour Government – a move the Refugee Council estimates would lead to nearly 60,000 of those earmarked for deportation being granted asylum instead."
So straight away we have another 60,000 who need homes, hospitals, doctors, dentists and schools. It just never ends.

MayBee70 Sat 29-Jun-24 23:15:04

Just remind me of how many people were going to be sent to Rwanda?

Chestnut Sat 29-Jun-24 23:15:34

Whitewavemark2

Just listening to “things can only get better” and found myself grinning like mad!

I'm afraid it's been banned:
www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/01/things-can-only-get-better-group-ban-labour-from-using-song

Siope Sat 29-Jun-24 23:18:00

Have to love Led By Donkeys

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBoDiuN2WoY

Someone has made a version with the first verse of Right Said Fred as a soundtrack which is great, but I can’t link to that.

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 23:20:13

We've known from the start that Starmer was not going to use the Rwanda Scheme, what's new tonight?

Sunak need not have called an election, he could have gone right ahead with the Rwanda scheme:

and had long stopped any assessments of migrants in the UK causing this huge build up.