What is it that attracts racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes and general bigots to Nigel Farage?

Chocolatelovinggran

Goodness, Nicenanny, I would look for more courtesy than accusing people of lying and telling them to " make your own mind up , if you have one".

Produce the transcript then if you can. Obviously people should make up their own minds but it seems on here they can't they just take another posters biased view and believe it. So yes I have doubts that some have a mind of their own. View the video and make up your own mind.

Sorry, growstuff.
I must have still been laboriously writing that out as you posted it.

zakouma66

My mind, ( and I do have one) tells me Merion knows what she (?) is talking about.

Oh well that says a lot 😂

Don’t waste 47 minutes of your time watching Farage giving out unmitigated bullshit would be my advice Vintagewhine. I have, and I can honestly say I’ve never come away from a political speech so unimpressed with an audience that can be taken in by him repeating the same old, same old rhetoric - no answers, no challenges, no substance.

growstuff Yusaf’s parents have medical backgrounds - a doctor and a nurse. Pretty average occupations?

I don’t know how you worked out that going to Hampton school means anything at all.

I have been looking at the other far right parties in Europe alongside our home grown one, and there is one thing that they all have in common, which is that they all without exception have difficulties keeping a lid on the racists etc and presenting a respectable face to the voter.

Everyone of them from AfD to RN to Brothers of Italy and Reform are all having to try to control the racists, anti-semites and homophobes in their respective parties.

What this means for reform will come clear on Thursday, but I am sure that there is a definite ceiling above which Reform will simply not be able to climb, because the vast majority of people in the U.K. will not have the stomach for such behaviour and ideology.

So in practice this means that they may get a few seats on Thursday, but their ideological stance of racism, homophobia etc will never attract more than a small percentage of the population, and so they will never grow from a small base.

growstuff

Wyllow3

I can't find a written transcript of it.

YouTube has a written transcript of it (Click "show transcript") It's done by AI, so not particularly accurate.

I can't find 'show transcript'.

Nicenanny3

zakouma66

My mind, ( and I do have one) tells me Merion knows what she (?) is talking about.

Oh well that says a lot 😂

Ah I see, the old chesnut of being rude and a funny face.

It's under the info about the video, usually, on my old phone.

Probably different on other devices, but it is available.

ronib

Is there any bank which doesn’t have links with the arms industry?
Yusaf sold a concierge company aimed at high value customers. A million miles away from the arms industry.

I think regardless of content of any political speech, Yusaf makes connections with an audience. Sunak and Starmer simply don’t have the same speaking ability.

It’s also interesting that Labour is repeating social class politics and Reform is not. I don’t know if politicians from migrant families have different experiences and outlooks to fully home bred working class candidates? Hence Labour and mixed attitudes to private schools and revisiting social class.

Re-visiting social class ?

Do you mean in the way we so often see it used to suggest Angela Rayner isn’t ’well Spoken ‘ or educated enough to be deputy leader of the Labour Party? She’s a ‘fully home bred working class candidate’

ronib

growstuff Yusaf’s parents have medical backgrounds - a doctor and a nurse. Pretty average occupations?

I don’t know how you worked out that going to Hampton school means anything at all.

'Average occupations'?

It all depends on where you stand in the class system, I suppose. And what sort of doctor... I wouldn't say there was anything average about being a doctor. Nurse, yes, doctor, no.

Training as a doctor - Luxury sone might say, not me though, I live on the other side of the penines

Thank you MissAdventure.

I copied and pasted that into a document, reformatted it, correcting any errors which had resulted from the auto-transcription after checking them against what Yusif said.

He spoke for 20 minutes so it's a long document, arguably too long to post here as a whole but if anyone would like it in document format and wants to send me an email address in a pm, I'm happy to send them a copy by email as I don't know if the pm facility would allow for a message of that length.

One option would be to post verbatim sections of the speech to discuss here.

Late yesterday, I did post something on the Nigel Farage You Tube channel, politely correcting the historical errors in what Zia Yusif said about the West Africa Squadron. These are errors have long been dispelled by academics including an Emeritus Professor of History as well as Full Fact. My post was quickly deleted by whoever is managing Farage's account. So much for free speech which, according to Yusif, is one of our "British values".

I'm Zia Yusuf. I'm a technology entrepreneur who sold my company last year and I just became one of the biggest donors to Reform UK. Let me tell you why I did it and why I'm here. I did it because I love Britain. I love my country. Britain is home to the warmest most welcoming people in the world. We would do well to ask why do so many wish to come here and make Britain their home? The answer is British values. These are the values of equality under the law; the presumption of innocence; freedom of religion; *freedom of speech*; love of family and love of country. These values have been exported across the world. They gave birth to the United States, to Canada, to Australia and many others. These values in a historical context are nothing short of a miracle. They can be subscribed to by those of all faiths and races and they are worth protecting.

I think the First Nations people of North America and Australia, might have something to say about his claim that British values gave birth to those countries in view of the oppression and slaughter they suffered at the hands of white settlors and the British military,

He says that presumption of innocence is also a British value, something not being carried out here by one Reform supporter as I have already been called a liar.

If you post facts you are deleted. If you post the truth you are called a liar. These are the values of Reform.

MaizieD living where I do means that I am surrounded by medics - so average in the sense of commonplace. Five minutes from a large hospital with very few home grown staff apart from the ambulance service. All lovely kind people.
So with parents in the caring profession, I think any feelings of entitlement are most likely to have come from working with Goldman Sachs. And Goldman Sachs recruits from State schools too.

Parsley3

^I think regardless of content of any political speech, Yusaf makes connections with an audience^ Regardless of content? Are you saying that you can be mesmerised into believing anything if the speaker is charismatic? That's dangerous.

Are you saying that you can be mesmerised into believing anything if the speaker is charismatic?

Probably not Parsley3.

If Yusaf were to advocate an ideology that didn't fit with that of his audience, his eloquence would be interpreted as fanaticism.

I think one of the key requirements of being a good public-speaker is to tell your audience what they want to hear.

MaizieD Angela Rayner does like to emphasise her working class background. I think she needs to be careful that she doesn’t alienate voters who don’t emphasise social class in quite the same way.

Thank you for another thoughtful and informative post Merion.

ronib

growstuff Yusaf’s parents have medical backgrounds - a doctor and a nurse. Pretty average occupations?

I don’t know how you worked out that going to Hampton school means anything at all.

It means his parents could afford the fees and that he would have been brought up with other people whose parents could afford the fees. He's not one of "the majority".

Dickens

Parsley3

I think regardless of content of any political speech, Yusaf makes connections with an audience Regardless of content? Are you saying that you can be mesmerised into believing anything if the speaker is charismatic? That's dangerous.

Are you saying that you can be mesmerised into believing anything if the speaker is charismatic?

Probably not Parsley3.

If Yusaf were to advocate an ideology that didn't fit with that of his audience, his eloquence would be interpreted as fanaticism.

I think one of the key requirements of being a good public-speaker is to tell your audience what they want to hear.

I would guess if you're speaking to a British audience, it makes sense to flatter them and claim they're somehow exceptional.

ronib

growstuff Yusaf’s parents have medical backgrounds - a doctor and a nurse. Pretty average occupations?

I don’t know how you worked out that going to Hampton school means anything at all.

I don’t know how you worked out that going to Hampton school means anything at all.

It means his parents were in occupations which meant they could afford the fees, his father at least. They're about £25,000 pa.
Some of DS's friends went there, mine went to the comprehensive.

MaizieD

growstuff

Wyllow3

I can't find a written transcript of it.

YouTube has a written transcript of it (Click "show transcript") It's done by AI, so not particularly accurate.

I can't find 'show transcript'.

At the bottom (on PC).

Nicenanny3

Chocolatelovinggran

Goodness, Nicenanny, I would look for more courtesy than accusing people of lying and telling them to " make your own mind up , if you have one".

Produce the transcript then if you can. Obviously people should make up their own minds but it seems on here they can't they just take another posters biased view and believe it. So yes I have doubts that some have a mind of their own. View the video and make up your own mind.

Some of us are perfectly capable of making up our minds - and we have. Shame you don't like it!

Just caught up bon the news on the Live Feed on I player.

A second Reform UK candidate has defected to the Conservatives, saying the "vast majority" of Reform candidates are "racist, misogynistic and bigoted

Georgie David is standing in West Ham and Beckton - she has "no doubt" that Reform's senior leadership is not racist, but says she does not want to be "directly associated" with its candidates.

Reform chairman Richard Tice accuses the Conservatives of "dirty tricks", saying they are offering candidates "jobs and safe seats" to defect.

A second Reform candidate has withdrawn from standing for Reform in the General Election

Georgie David, the Reform candidate for West Ham and Beckton, said she had been “frustrated and dismayed” by Nigel Farage’s failure to tackle concerns about Reform’s candidates, though she said she did not believe Reform’s “senior leadership” are racist.

It comes two days after Reform’s candidate in Erewash also defected to the Conservatives over racism concerns.

David said: “I am hereby announcing my decision to leave the Reform Party and stand down as their candidate for West Ham and Beckton, with immediate effect.

“I am in no doubt that the party and its senior leadership are not racist. However, as the vast majority of candidates are indeed racist, misogynistic, and bigoted, I do not wish to be directly associated with people who hold such views that are so vastly opposing to my own and what I stand for.

“I also have been significantly frustrated and dismayed by the failure of the Reform Party’s leadership to tackle this issue in any meaningful way, and their attempts to instead try to brush it under the carpet or cry foul play.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c7204p2r0dkt

Sorry, Wyllow. We've posted at about the same time 😀