What is it that attracts racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes and general bigots to Nigel Farage?

I don’t know how people become like that, but I’d like to know how the Jews apparently run the banks. Or what the Covid vaccine had to do with the Holocaust.

maddyone

I don’t know how people become like that, but I’d like to know how the Jews apparently run the banks. Or what the Covid vaccine had to do with the Holocaust.

The 'Jews run the banks' is historic because a number of Jews were merchants and bankers because there was very little else available for them to do. They were barred from many professions because they were Jews. Having said that, don't think that it was solely Jews who tended to dominate banking. Many of our old established banks were founded by Quaker families, because they were barred from other professions, too.

I think the Holocaust thing is because the extreme antivaxxers regard the vaccination programme as planned genocide...

Farage mixes with some very strange/dubious people. There's an article about his relationship with George Cottrell in the Guardian and his links to Montenegro's Prime Minister Milojko Spajić. Spajić worked for Goldman Sachs same as Zia Yusef, just a coincidence? Farage once said he could earn as much as a Goldman Sachs banker as an MEP, now he seems to have them as close friends and allies.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/04/farage-expenses-1999-everyones-winner-europe

MaizieD

maddyone

I don’t know how people become like that, but I’d like to know how the Jews apparently run the banks. Or what the Covid vaccine had to do with the Holocaust.

The 'Jews run the banks' is historic because a number of Jews were merchants and bankers because there was very little else available for them to do. They were barred from many professions because they were Jews. Having said that, don't think that it was solely Jews who tended to dominate banking. Many of our old established banks were founded by Quaker families, because they were barred from other professions, too.

I think the Holocaust thing is because the extreme antivaxxers regard the vaccination programme as planned genocide...

But what is it that turns them into perpetual victims? They always think that somebody is out to get them. I guess I can see their appeal to people who are genuinely downtrodden. They seem to see these "victims" as their champions.

I think 07/10/23 is an example of why Jewish people feel permanently persecuted. Then witness the terrible antisemitism that has risen it’s ugly head all over the world since then and you have your answer.

maddyone

I think 07/10/23 is an example of why Jewish people feel permanently persecuted. Then witness the terrible antisemitism that has risen it’s ugly head all over the world since then and you have your answer.

maddyone I wasn't referring to Jews. Of course I understand why they should feel persecuted. I meant Reform supporters and conspiracy theorists in general. There's a common theme running through so much of what they say, which is that there's somebody (Jews, Muslims, bankers, corporate organisations, global elites, big pharma, etc etc) out to get them. That's why Farage has always portrayed himself as a "man in the street" with his fag and pint.

Sorry to mention this, but Hitler did the same in "Mein Kampf".

I did wonder how it was that Zia Yusuf seemed to appear from nowhere to be a major donor and poster boy for Reform, banging on about British values and hailing Farage as a messiah.

As foxeie48 says, he worked for Goldman Sachs - and is around the same age as Spajić. Yusuf’s business after that was providing a concierge service so that wealthy, powerful people could have everything they wanted at the touch of a few buttons on a phone app.

Yusuf and his partner (who wanted out) sold the business to Capital One - the bank which finances the Israeli weapons-maker Elbit Sytems who make the GPS tracker bombs used to target British medical aid workers in Gaza.

And now we’re reading about wealthy socialite and convicted criminal George Cottrell on the campaign trail with Farage.

What links these people is not that they are men of the people. Far from it. What links them is a desire for money and power and to be part of an elite class. And 5,000 people in Birmingham, many (most?) of them probably working class, clapped and cheered for them.

I guess they're part of an "alternative elite".

Sorry growstuff, I misunderstood.

I’ve never read * win Kampf.* It has never appealed to me, for the obvious reasons.

Sorry Mein Kampf
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No problem, maddyone. I only read it because i felt obliged to read it, as half of my degree is in German. I can't say I'd recommend it. It's full of hate, blame (of others - mainly Jews, but also Marxists and social democrats) and being the victim of people who didn't recognise young Adolf's genius. "Mein Kampf" means "my struggle" and it gives details of Hitler's "struggle" against the elites.

I think supporters of any party should always look closely at who is funding that party, especially when that party is a limited company. Farage mixes with pro Putin people, there's evidence that there is, once again, Russian interference in our election and also the French and US elections and false news sites being used to discredit people. Apparently Zelensky's wife bought a Bugatti Tourbillon for 4.5 million euros, total rubbish but spread widely by Alex Jones despite it being totally untrue. BTW Farage agreed with AJ about the Sandy Hook massacre and seems to think Tate is a pretty good guy. As I said he mixes with some very dubious people!

Thanks for the clarification growstuff, initially I read in haste and assumed you were talking about Jewish people

You’re so right about Reform supporters and their glorious leader identifying as victims. These are the people who claim ‘we aren’t allowed to say anything these days’ then come out with racist, misogynistic nonsense

It does read as if you were talking about Jews growstuff glad to hear that you weren’t, it was an intake of breath moment tho.
I see there is much disgust about some of the Reform candidates, quite rightly, but I don’t like all the disgust aimed at posters or voters who intend to vote that way.

growstuff

PS. I think you're underestimating how wealthy and educated middle-class Sudanese are. I doubt many of them are so-called "economic" migrants, but their lives certainly are in danger. My daughter's father-in-law is from Sudan and still has family there. My son-in-law's cousin was attacked last year and suffered life-changing injuries.

Yes, you're right - on reflection it might not have been the best example.

I wrote in exasperation without thinking it through. I mentioned Sudan though because I believe that over 50% of its population lives in poverty and deprivation. Not to mention the torture and abuse of minorities and the hundreds of thousands of deaths under the regime of al-Bashir, and the current ongoing civil war. It's one of the poorest countries in Africa.

foxie48

I think supporters of any party should always look closely at who is funding that party, especially when that party is a limited company. Farage mixes with pro Putin people, there's evidence that there is, once again, Russian interference in our election and also the French and US elections and false news sites being used to discredit people. Apparently Zelensky's wife bought a Bugatti Tourbillon for 4.5 million euros, total rubbish but spread widely by Alex Jones despite it being totally untrue. BTW Farage agreed with AJ about the Sandy Hook massacre and seems to think Tate is a pretty good guy. As I said he mixes with some very dubious people!

BTW Farage agreed with AJ about the Sandy Hook massacre and seems to think Tate is a pretty good guy. As I said he mixes with some very dubious people!

I simply don't understand how anyone cannot have doubts about a man who 'sympathises' with one who thinks Sandy Hook was a hoax and another who is clearly a misogynist believing that women are men's property, belong in he home, and should bear the responsibility for being sexually assaulted.

Do the 'silent majority' of women who say they are afraid to speak really want this man with his sympathetic views on misogyny really want him to represent them?

... a really badly constructed comment of mine. But I hope the point is clear.

Loud and clear.

Dickens I don't understand either. There's so much evidence of the sort of man he is and yet people are still willing to listen to what he says. I don't believe people are stupid but I think they can be very uncritical if they hear rhetoric that chimes with what they think. I sincerely hope they are not the "silent majority" or we are in a real mess. I just hope the secret service are keeping tabs on his contacts as despite what his followers may think, IMO he is not a friend of the UK and it's citizens.

Dickens

growstuff

PS. I think you're underestimating how wealthy and educated middle-class Sudanese are. I doubt many of them are so-called "economic" migrants, but their lives certainly are in danger. My daughter's father-in-law is from Sudan and still has family there. My son-in-law's cousin was attacked last year and suffered life-changing injuries.

Yes, you're right - on reflection it might not have been the best example.

I wrote in exasperation without thinking it through. I mentioned Sudan though because I believe that over 50% of its population lives in poverty and deprivation. Not to mention the torture and abuse of minorities and the hundreds of thousands of deaths under the regime of al-Bashir, and the current ongoing civil war. It's one of the poorest countries in Africa.

No problem. Sudan has a lot of poverty, but the Sudanese in the UK aren't from those families. English is one of the official languages of Sudan, so it's not surprising that they have gravitated to the UK. The UK has one of the oldest Sudanese diasporas in the world, so many people have family already in the UK. Migrants from Sudan aren't "economic" migrants because generally the lives of the Sudanese middle classes are very comfortable. My son-in'law's uncle, who is a doctor, chose to stay in Sudan rather than emigrate, although he could have done legally. It's his son who was attacked and injured/disfigured. However, the middle classes also have more power and have become targets in the civil war. Many have already left for Egypt, while those with family in the UK or US try to go there.

foxie48

Dickens I don't understand either. There's so much evidence of the sort of man he is and yet people are still willing to listen to what he says. I don't believe people are stupid but I think they can be very uncritical if they hear rhetoric that chimes with what they think. I sincerely hope they are not the "silent majority" or we are in a real mess. I just hope the secret service are keeping tabs on his contacts as despite what his followers may think, IMO he is not a friend of the UK and it's citizens.

After reading about his support for Tate, I'm appalled that any woman can speak positively of Farage.

Farage still isnt too fussy whom he appears alongside

interesting bits in whole article as well as quote

Evening standard
www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/derek-chisora-boris-johnson-clacton-reform-uk-essex-b1168503.html

"Mr Farage also defended his decision to appear alongside Chisora, who sported a pair of Reform boxing gloves, a gown emblazoned with “Nigel’s security” and a Union flag bandana.

Asked about Chisora’s conviction for assaulting a woman in 2010 and whether the boxer is a good role model for young men, the Reform UK leader said: “You know what? You show me someone who’s lived a perfect life and never been in trouble.

“With these young kids here, he’s a fantastic role model.”

growstuff

Dickens

growstuff

PS. I think you're underestimating how wealthy and educated middle-class Sudanese are. I doubt many of them are so-called "economic" migrants, but their lives certainly are in danger. My daughter's father-in-law is from Sudan and still has family there. My son-in-law's cousin was attacked last year and suffered life-changing injuries.

Yes, you're right - on reflection it might not have been the best example.

I wrote in exasperation without thinking it through. I mentioned Sudan though because I believe that over 50% of its population lives in poverty and deprivation. Not to mention the torture and abuse of minorities and the hundreds of thousands of deaths under the regime of al-Bashir, and the current ongoing civil war. It's one of the poorest countries in Africa.

No problem. Sudan has a lot of poverty, but the Sudanese in the UK aren't from those families. English is one of the official languages of Sudan, so it's not surprising that they have gravitated to the UK. The UK has one of the oldest Sudanese diasporas in the world, so many people have family already in the UK. Migrants from Sudan aren't "economic" migrants because generally the lives of the Sudanese middle classes are very comfortable. My son-in'law's uncle, who is a doctor, chose to stay in Sudan rather than emigrate, although he could have done legally. It's his son who was attacked and injured/disfigured. However, the middle classes also have more power and have become targets in the civil war. Many have already left for Egypt, while those with family in the UK or US try to go there.

My son-in'law's uncle, who is a doctor, chose to stay in Sudan rather than emigrate, although he could have done legally. It's his son who was attacked and injured/disfigured.

Oh my goodness, that is horrible growstuff. Obviously, the whole family will be impacted by the attack.

The consultant-surgeon at my local hospital is from Sudan, and I'm glad he's here as, no doubt, are hundreds of others under his care. He's spoken, casually, about his established family here in the UK, but only in the general course of conversation that one sometimes has with one's medic when chatting about family.