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What is it that attracts racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes and general bigots to Nigel Farage?

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 28-Jun-24 10:25:05

I’ve pinched this question from James O’Brian. And to me it is obvious, - they are fascists - talking about replacing the police with paramilitaries and bringing back the death penalty as well as shoot f….g immigrants has huge echoes of 1930s Germany.

So why would you vote for him?

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 09:58:59

tinaf1

Whitewavemark2

So Farage’s answer to immigrants is to get the Royal Marines to dump them back on Frances beaches😀😀😀.

I suspect that the French navy might have something to say about that.

What a nonsense.

About as much nonsense as Starmer hoping to think he is going to have, trying to negotiate with countries like Iran and Afghanistan

Starmer has specifically confirmed (following Sunak's jibe on the head to head) he will not be seeking to negotiate with the Taliban.

Re "returning boats" and the navy. Farage, like anyone else in politics, because it was raised as a possibility by the Conservatives in 2021/2, knows that the boats cannot be "turned back at sea" and people dumped on beaches because of international maritime laws that apply world wide.

Yet even yesterday he said the Royal Marines would. This is worse than misleading, it's a total lie.

In GN I have asked Reform supporters so many times "how it would be done" and answers came their none.

M0nica Sat 29-Jun-24 10:04:14

Mt61

Why is that most of you people who support the left are always so smug & correct? There is nothing wrong in the opinion that we have too many migrants (illegals) coming across from France. France is a safe country. We haven’t got the infrastructure to support the influx of people coming across the channel,They are probably some of the nicest people on the planet, but we have enough homeless of our own to contend with. I don’t think for one minute that Nigel Farage is anything like Hitler, he’s pragmatic, & says it has it is.
People on here need to watch other sources of news apart from the mainstream news outlets like the BBC

heaven forfend that any one should think I support the left. As I have said many times I have never voted for either of the two main parties.

My query Mt61 and to others like you is why are you so obsessed with illegal immigrants, when actually the vast majority of immigrants coming into this country come in legally. Were you to stop anybody inthe street who looked foreign, regardless of colour you would find that they were here legally and working in key sectors of the economy. Anyone who has ever been anywhere near a hospital or care home could tell you how dependent those sectors are on immigrant employees, as is the hospitality trade and many other key services.

As well as that it is immigrants that mainly work the unsocial shifts at night. They pay their taxes and make an immense contribution to the British economy.

In a post several pages back I posted the following text and link.
Those opposing immigration would, undoubtedly find it helpful to read the recent Migration Observatory report on immigration migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-labour-market-an-overview/

The Migration Observatory, based at Oxford University is considered to provide 'independent, impartial and authorative advice, evidence based reports on migration in the UK'

You would find it very informative.

silverlining48 Sat 29-Jun-24 10:12:24

Would add that since 2015 we probably have the fewest number of immigrants than most west European countries.
The problem is that none have been processed, there is no record of who and where they are and which party has been in power in that time…we all know the answer to that.

Iam64 Sat 29-Jun-24 10:21:54

Thank you MOnica

And Silverlining
It’s so good to see well informed comments in response to angry, ill informed frankly bigoted comments referring to “illegals”

tinaf1 Sat 29-Jun-24 10:24:52

Willow 3 Starmer stated that he would seek to return asylum seeker to safe countries or their home countries adding that many came from Afghanistan Syria and Iran so why was it a “jibe” when Sunak ask him if he was going to seek to negotiate with the Taliban it seems like a perfectly reasonable question to me.

I have also asked many Labour supporters the same question you have put to Reform Supporters “How would this be done” and had exactly the same response.

tinaf1 Sat 29-Jun-24 10:28:18

apologies Wyllow3

Iam64 Sat 29-Jun-24 10:37:03

tinaf1 many asylum seekers from Afghanistan supported the US or UK. They couldn’t get out safely because of the haste withdrawal. Starmer knows he can’t negotiate with the Taliban
It may not fit your world view but safe refuge for people fleeing wars is the legal response - not to mention ethics or morals

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 10:40:45

Because Starmer has always used the words "Safe Countries"so when Rishi Sunak mocked him for planning to “sit down with the ayatollahs” to negotiate return agreements it was just a weak attempt to point score.

Perhaps more important is to ask the question why the government has halted any asylum processing due to government’s Rwanda policy

That's months of doing nothing.

Callistemon213 Sat 29-Jun-24 10:44:47

It was a daft thing for Sunak to say.

We have had an Afghan Citizens Resettlement Scheme (ACRS) since 2022 here. 10,000 eligiblepeople have already arrived here through the scheme.

maddyone Sat 29-Jun-24 10:45:37

To be honest I don’t think anyone really knows what to do about the immigration that is not wanted. It would probably be relatively easy to cut the numbers of so called ‘legal’ immigration because these people are given visas and arrive here perfectly legally. Many of them are working in jobs and professions where they are needed. Obviously some are dependents of these people. However it is likely that there would then be shortages in key areas, if the numbers were cut.
The immigration that many call ‘illegal’ which basically means people arriving who have not been given permission to arrive, is normally what people are discussing when they discuss immigration. I honestly don’t think there is a solution to this and that is why it’s not been able to be stopped. Neither Sunak nor Starmer really know what to do, although both claim they have a plan. Even if Farage was in government, which is not going to happen, and so really not worth discussing, but even if he was, he would not be able to do as he claims as it would be illegal.
I don’t know what the solution is. I don’t pretend to know. I don’t think anyone else does either.

Granmarderby10 Sat 29-Jun-24 10:52:13

I am also baffled as to why any people of colour would support Donald Trump.

Granmarderby10 Sat 29-Jun-24 10:59:51

Wyllow3 think of the money too that has been wasted in pursuing this ludicrous Rwanda idea.
When there is so much need that could have been addressed and solved with such funds.
Beggars belief.

Kandinsky Sat 29-Jun-24 11:10:00

Plenty of left wingers would happily round up Reform voters and pack them off to Rwanda. That’s the irony grin

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:13:59

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/01/rwanda-plan-uk-asylum-seeker-cost-figures

"Rwanda plan to cost UK £1.8m for each asylum seeker, figures show
This article is more than 3 months old
Disclosure, calculated on basis of 300 deportations, called ‘staggering’ by chair of home affairs committee"

"The disclosures follow nearly three years of refusals by prime ministers, home secretaries and senior Home Office staff to explain the full costs of the deal, citing “commercial confidentiality”.

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:15:41

Kandinsky

Plenty of left wingers would happily round up Reform voters and pack them off to Rwanda. That’s the irony grin

Don't be silly.

Granmarderby10 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:29:28

It might be an idea though Wyllow3 for those who think/thought it was a worthy project to invest “our money” into in the first place - and as experiential evidence of it’s likely effectiveness to say, make the journey themselves ..yes the whole thing.
It could become a real reality show for the age, see how they thrive there….No?

Freya5 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:29:54

Whitewavemark2

chestnut we have a right wing party for balance they are called the Tory party.

I don’t want a party that attracts the sort of people we witnessed on ch4.

They are disgusting.

So a actor, possibly planted by the odious Channel 4, who of course deny this, is real in your eyes because he spouts the hatred you "know" comes from Reform.
He was a hate monger , and what he said should be investigated by the way !!

Freya5 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:31:51

Chestnut

Jane43

Whitewavemark2

I’ve pinched this question from James O’Brian. And to me it is obvious, - they are fascists - talking about replacing the police with paramilitaries and bringing back the death penalty as well as shoot f….g immigrants has huge echoes of 1930s Germany.

So why would you vote for him?

It is very similar to what happened in Nazi Germany. Hitler used Jews as scapegoats for the problems in society at the time and Reform are using Muslims. Reform supporters are grossly exaggerating and scaremongering saying Muslims will take over our society and introduce Sharia law, all this from 6% of the population. At that time we had Oswald Mosley propagating the ideology and now we have Nigel Farage. I just hope the majority of voters aren’t taken in by it.

'It' refers to what? A few crazy people spouting hate does not mean we are living through Nazi Germany again. You should be watching what goes on with George Galloway and his cronies if you want something to worry about.

Absolutely.

Freya5 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:35:10

M0nica

*WW2. I am referring to the Farage's male supporters, like the most recent oaf in the news. I would never describe a lady as an oaf. I always think Hyacinth Bucket would be a typical Reform supporter.Ladylike and yearning for a past that never existed.

Actually that past did,just because you want to think it didn't doesn't make it true.

Freya5 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:38:30

petra

Apologies if I’m wrong, WhiteWavemark2 but I don’t recall you asking what attracts anti- Semite's to the Labour Party. 🤔

That's a good one. They even have allowed one, oh forgot, she's done a "course", running for her very safe seat.

Freya5 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:42:13

MayBee70

Whitewavemark2

The far right - Tommy Robinson and a lot of others of his ilk are supporting Reform.

He’s been arrested in Canada….how ashamed I am that he’s from my country.

For supposedly immigration rules. They have since had to let him go, as they got it wrong.

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:42:45

Whitewavemark2

Here he is back in April campaigning. Was he acting then?

Freya see this proof WWM posted that he was active for Reform long before channel 4 revelations.

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:44:20

(There was a picture on WWM original post. Just glance down page 8 which shows the campaign picture)

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:45:30

Campaigning in April.

Dickens Sat 29-Jun-24 11:46:49

Curtaintwitcher

The problem with our country at the moment is that there are too many people who just don't care or haven't the wherewithal to consider the consequences of....unlimited numbers of immigrants flooding into the country......our children being poorly educated.....the increase in crime, etc.
Those who do have the courage to protest are labelled with insults.
People like Farage are
bringing the problems out into the open and giving patriots a voice.

Curtaintwitcher, there might well be those who don't care about the consequences, but I suspect they're more likely to be those who use the issue as a means to rattle the chains of an electorate being bombarded with propaganda about immigrants as the cause of our economic problems in order to cover up the fact that the real cause is years of public services and infrastructure underfunding and cost cutting, coupled with privatisation which results in money being sucked out of the economy.

Obviously, immigration in large numbers is going to add to those problems, but it's not the root cause.

And why do you assume that patriotism is the preserve only of people like Farage?

... and what the heck is patriotism anyway? If I want to see the country, as a whole, become a more equitable nation without the huge wealth gap between the very wealthy and the impoverished, one where everyone gets an opportunity to create a fairly decent life for themselves - not to mention one whose government is respected on the world-stage... does that make me unpatriotic?

Immigration is a problem - but it's a global problem not one that only affects us, and it's going to escalate, and it's not one we can just opt out of. And certainly not one that can in any way be managed by cutting the funding of those government departments and agencies that deal with the nitty-gritty of processing immigrants' claims.

Do you think those of us who want a more temperate debate / discussion on immigration are ignorant of the fact that among those immigrants coming to our shores there will inevitably be criminals, trouble-makers, fraudsters, and those whose staunchly held belief in a culture alien to our own will cause friction? We are aware of these things - Farage is not educating anyone, he's rabble-rousing - attempting to garner support by playing on the fears and insecurities of a nation that is suffering an economic crisis / downturn.

It's quite obvious, if you take a look at the whole picture and consider the number of immigrants - from various nations - living peacefully and working productively, especially in our health services, that the biggest problem that besets the country is not immigrants or immigration - it's 14 years under governments that have focused their attention on keeping the status-quo, looking after, primarily, the interests of their donors, backers and assorted vested-interests at the expense of the majority of the population who've endured the same number of year's worth of austerity, watching the services they rely on diminish to the point where an ever-increasing number of people find it impossible to access them, where taxpayers are funding employers who won't pay a wage workers can live on, where full-time, worthwhile jobs are disappearing to be replaced by the 'flexibility' of a labour force that has to juggle gig-economy / contract work, most of it low-paid, and somehow find affordable accommodation in a high-rent market, where crime is out of control in certain areas and there aren't sufficient numbers of police to even attempt to deal with it...

Immigration is not the cause of these problems. If you put a ring of steel around the whole of our island and ended the arrival of the boats in one swoop - the government would still carry on with its public-spending cuts, privatisation policies, etc... and would then find a new scapegoat for the problems its ideology creates.

Farage knows all this.