What is it that attracts racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes and general bigots to Nigel Farage?

Mt61

Why is that most of you people who support the left are always so smug & correct? There is nothing wrong in the opinion that we have too many migrants (illegals) coming across from France. France is a safe country. We haven’t got the infrastructure to support the influx of people coming across the channel,They are probably some of the nicest people on the planet, but we have enough homeless of our own to contend with. I don’t think for one minute that Nigel Farage is anything like Hitler, he’s pragmatic, & says it has it is.
People on here need to watch other sources of news apart from the mainstream news outlets like the BBC

What do you suggest we watch? GB News by any chance?

I note that Farage on QT tonight was claiming that he didn't know any of the candidates who have been caught saying disgusting things about migrants. He was effectively blaming Tice. Not very loyal is he?

Rekarie

I worked for the NHS when Tony Blair was in power. He was a great advocate of using private health care alongside the NHS.

We mustn't believe that things in the NHS were great then, they weren't. Take the 'no more than 4 hours' wait in A&E. Sure, that happened, but patients were just moved to another waiting area.

Also, the brilliant book/TV series, This is Going to Hurt, by ex doctor Adam Kay was all set in hospital under Labour. If you know of it you'll appreciate that life in the NHS was anything but easy. Stressed junior doctors, mistakes being made etc etc

The NHS has been crumbling for decades. It needs reform.

I worked in the NHS too, and comparing 2010 with 2020, when I retired, is like comparing the premier league with the second division. Waiting lists were short, buildings were in good repair, staff were productive, changes were being made. It was never perfect, but it was 100% better than it is now.

Mt61

Why is that most of you people who support the left are always so smug & correct? There is nothing wrong in the opinion that we have too many migrants (illegals) coming across from France. France is a safe country. We haven’t got the infrastructure to support the influx of people coming across the channel,They are probably some of the nicest people on the planet, but we have enough homeless of our own to contend with. I don’t think for one minute that Nigel Farage is anything like Hitler, he’s pragmatic, & says it has it is.
People on here need to watch other sources of news apart from the mainstream news outlets like the BBC

Just correct, not smug. Has it ever occurred to you that migrants don’t appear in France by magic, they travel across continents and numerous countries with reaching the UK in mind, . Why do you think France should keep everybody, exactly? Do you know France already takes migrants too? Do you think France is the land of migrant milk and honey, and what is your rationale? Or is yours just another lazy thinking, off the cuff attitude of it’s not my problem? It’s time to wake up.

Casdon

Rekarie

I worked for the NHS when Tony Blair was in power. He was a great advocate of using private health care alongside the NHS.

We mustn't believe that things in the NHS were great then, they weren't. Take the 'no more than 4 hours' wait in A&E. Sure, that happened, but patients were just moved to another waiting area.

Also, the brilliant book/TV series, This is Going to Hurt, by ex doctor Adam Kay was all set in hospital under Labour. If you know of it you'll appreciate that life in the NHS was anything but easy. Stressed junior doctors, mistakes being made etc etc

The NHS has been crumbling for decades. It needs reform.

I worked in the NHS too, and comparing 2010 with 2020, when I retired, is like comparing the premier league with the second division. Waiting lists were short, buildings were in good repair, staff were productive, changes were being made. It was never perfect, but it was 100% better than it is now.

Yes, DD was sent to a private hospital for an operation during that time.

It certainly wasn't all rosy, Casdon.
I knew people who were in Stafford Hospital. People died needlessly there, including a member of our wider family whose supposedly had a chance of a good recovery.

Patients were refusing to be admitted there too. Families were desperate at the conditions.

Sorry, hope that you understand my meaning as I changed bits of it and the grammar isn't good.

Siope

Farage is a racist, and there’s shedloads of evidence from his own mouth to prove it.

But if he spoke for any kind of majority, silent or otherwise, he wouldn’t have failed to become an MP so many times. I hope he fails again next week.

A tiny part of me, however, would quite enjoy seeing him in the House of Commons, being obliged to explain where his funding both comes from and where it goes, being held accountable by the Standards Committee and, one hopes, voters of all stripes in his constituency.

But if he spoke for any kind of majority, silent or otherwise, he wouldn’t have failed to become an MP so many times. I hope he fails again next week.

If he did speak for the majority, he'd already be or have been an MP.

There might well be an increase in the number of disaffected Tory voters of course who like the cut of his jib and Reform's 'manifesto' - especially those who are disillusioned with Boris Johnson's Brexit which apparently wasn't "done properly" but which, on further examination, turns out to be the fault of "lefties" who opposed the referendum result at every opportunity - so is not really down to Johnson anyway. And which of course, doesn't take into account the number on the Right who opposed the Leave campaign.

I do know quite a few Conservative voters - my town is a respite for retirees who do tend to vote for the party, but none of them I've spoken to has any time for Reform- I think they are hoping for a more capable and 'traditional' Conservative party to emerge, but they are not listening to Farage.

I'm just curious to know who this silent majority are.

Callistemon213

Casdon

Rekarie

I worked for the NHS when Tony Blair was in power. He was a great advocate of using private health care alongside the NHS.

We mustn't believe that things in the NHS were great then, they weren't. Take the 'no more than 4 hours' wait in A&E. Sure, that happened, but patients were just moved to another waiting area.

Also, the brilliant book/TV series, This is Going to Hurt, by ex doctor Adam Kay was all set in hospital under Labour. If you know of it you'll appreciate that life in the NHS was anything but easy. Stressed junior doctors, mistakes being made etc etc

The NHS has been crumbling for decades. It needs reform.

I worked in the NHS too, and comparing 2010 with 2020, when I retired, is like comparing the premier league with the second division. Waiting lists were short, buildings were in good repair, staff were productive, changes were being made. It was never perfect, but it was 100% better than it is now.

Yes, DD was sent to a private hospital for an operation during that time.

It certainly wasn't all rosy, Casdon.
I knew people who were in Stafford Hospital. People died needlessly there, including a member of our wider family whose supposedly had a chance of a good recovery.

Patients were refusing to be admitted there too. Families were desperate at the conditions.

No, I know it wasn’t all rosy, I don’t think that will ever be possible. There have always been, and will always be scandals, needless deaths and cover-ups, although with improved monitoring they should be less often and less severe. I do also know though that the NHS was, on average, much, much better than it is now. Mental health and maternity services in particular are in a shocking place compared with 15 years ago.

Mt61

I wouldn’t waste your time talking sense on this board, they’d be happy if a 5000 illegals arrived by small boats every day. They think it’s a wonderful thing.

I wouldn’t waste your time talking sense on this board, they’d be happy if a 5000 illegals arrived by small boats every day. They think it’s a wonderful thing.

Is that what constitutes talking sense then - making exaggerated claims?

And, by the way, anyone who claims asylum does not become illegal until his or her claim is refused and asylum is not granted. You may not like the fact, but it is a fact. Because we signed up to the Refugee Convention in 1951.

HousePlantQueen

I note that Farage on QT tonight was claiming that he didn't know any of the candidates who have been caught saying disgusting things about migrants. He was effectively blaming Tice. Not very loyal is he?

He was also lying. The one he claims was acting has been photoed on previous campaigns with Farage, and also mentioned that he’d had dinner with him.

Also the other one using choice homophobic language is is campaign manager and has been with Farage sine his UKIP days.

Make no mistake, Farage is as mired in this filth as much as his cohorts.

Conflating control of immigration with the type of filth we have witnessed these past few days is exactly what Trump populism does, we can see examples of it in Le Pen’s rhetoric.

But never assume that because I and like minded people utterly reject everything that Farage, Trump and Le Pen stand for does not mean that we believe that immigration should not be controlled.

We simply see migration as an inevitable factor, and something that is bound to increase exponentially given the various push/pull factors that are inevitably going to occur.

This means that a migration policy needs to be carefully thought through with cooperation by and with our neighbours as well as those countries from which the migrants are fleeing.

But first we have to tackle the terrible mess that the Tories have caused by failing totally to get a handle on the numbers - particularly since Brexit.

Here he is back in April campaigning. Was he acting then?

The problem with our country at the moment is that there are too many people who just don't care or haven't the wherewithal to consider the consequences of....unlimited numbers of immigrants flooding into the country......our children being poorly educated.....the increase in crime, etc.
Those who do have the courage to protest are labelled with insults.
People like Farage are
bringing the problems out into the open and giving patriots a voice.

Curtaintwitcher

The problem with our country at the moment is that there are too many people who just don't care or haven't the wherewithal to consider the consequences of....unlimited numbers of immigrants flooding into the country......our children being poorly educated.....the increase in crime, etc.
Those who do have the courage to protest are labelled with insults.
People like Farage are
bringing the problems out into the open and giving patriots a voice.

So regardless of the beliefs and moral judgement of these people you are still prepared to vote for them?

Don’t you feel tainted by association?

Surely you value yourself more than that?

the answer is simple. They recognise him as the same scum as themselves . He tries to hide his appalling beliefs and attitude beneath smooth snake like comments but we can all see through it, as we are intelligent beings not lowered to his level. Might be interesting to look at his family tree and see what relationship he is to Hitler!! Shame he didnt go to america as he said he would , but of course he would have had cold feet at the thought that one of the trigger happy americans would take a shot at him!!

I’m beginning to feel sorry for this bugger because of all the hatred and abuse he is copping. I would say the more people go on about how awful he is, the more votes he will pick up. People don’t like to be told what to think. He is best ignored if you want him to go away. Many people have an ‘authority’ problem and if they think he is being castigated and reviled by the mainstream government parties it will actually have the reverse effect. I would probably vote for Starmer if I bothered to, but he is very lacklustre, not someone you would have by choice.

Before the channel 4 undercover filming -about a week ago- Farage was asked what he thought about the racist remarks of some of his candidates. He replied that he wasn’t really bothered about a few jokes and thought voters wouldn’t be interested as “this election was a presidential one and only leaders were voted for”. Wow! Nigel that is some ego you have.

I wouldn't bother to feel sorry for Farage, nanna8. He thrives on people talking about him, it makes no difference whether it's good or bad.

The shame gene is completely absent ...

He's got the skin of a rhinoceros, nanna8.

Whitewavemark2

Here he is back in April campaigning. Was he acting then?

Thanks Whitewave

Kandinsky

Mt61

I wouldn’t waste your time talking sense on this board, they’d be happy if a 5000 illegals arrived by small boats every day. They think it’s a wonderful thing.

Of course you’re entitled to express this as your belief Kandinsky. I’m curious about what your evidence is that ‘they think it’s a wonderful thing ‘ for 5000 illegals to arrive by small board every day.
That statement does not represent my views, or those of any other posters I’ve read on this forum.

Whitewavemark2

So Farage’s answer to immigrants is to get the Royal Marines to dump them back on Frances beaches😀😀😀.

I suspect that the French navy might have something to say about that.

What a nonsense.

About as much nonsense as Starmer hoping to think he is going to have, trying to negotiate with countries like Iran and Afghanistan

Just reading through very quickly as am on way out but it seems to me that the people on here who think that taking in thousands more immigrants and are anti Farage always resort to using offensive language as “scum”, “filth” etc. are you programmed to do this?

I think people who just want to let us sort our own problems out first before allowing more people in, are far more polite.

That isn’t my reading of the polarised posts primrose