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Mollygo

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Poland migrant clashes intensify as Warsaw passes shoot to kill law after soldier death
Video images show the Polish troops forming a defensive line behind riot shields, as groups of migrants stand around about twenty metres away.
By JOHN VARGA
08:33, Mon, Jul 15, 2024

All kicking off in Poland as well as Dublin now.

Polish MPs have voted overwhelmingly to pass a new law allowing soldiers and border guards to fire live rounds at migrants trying to break into the country from Belarus.

The passing of the legislation comes in the wake of the tragic death of a Polish border guard last week, who was killed by a spear thrown by a migrant from inside Belarusian territory. Daily Express

They don't mess around over in Poland.

Nicenanny3

11:08HousePlantQueen

So what if you SIL is in navy it's not going to happen what are you getting so steamed up about, leave biglouis alone.

This is a thread. Your views are repellent in my opinion, as are those of BigLouis who really doesn't need you to stand up for her.

Nicenanny3

Polish MPs have voted overwhelmingly to pass a new law allowing soldiers and border guards to fire live rounds at migrants trying to break into the country from Belarus.

The passing of the legislation comes in the wake of the tragic death of a Polish border guard last week, who was killed by a spear thrown by a migrant from inside Belarusian territory. Daily Express

They don't mess around over in Poland.

And?

11:52HousePlantQueen

If this thread upsets you so much I suggest you don't come on it. I honestly don't know what I've said that is repellent perhaps you can inform me. I'm just reporting the news and posting daily updates on the migrant crossings, I've not sworn or called any other posters nasty names so I'm perplexed, or are you repelled because my views are not the same as yours, well it might come as a big shock to you but out in the big world people do have different views.

The situation in Poland is pretty unique: they are under threat from Belarus and Russia:

apnews.com/article/european-union-alexander-lukashenko-lithuania-minsk-united-nations-28b4c0ca00074caa1fff8384f5539811

"The border crisis with Belarus has been simmering for months. Top EU officials say the longtime authoritarian leader of Belarus, President Alexander Lukashenko, is luring thousands of migrants and refugees to Minsk with the promise of help to get to western Europe".

It's suspected that Russia, working with Belarus, is behind it, and that it has connections with State Belarus funding

"Monique Pariat, a senior commission home affairs official, said most are Iraqis or Syrians, flying to Minsk from Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, Syria and the United Arab Emirates. They pay a lot of money to a state-owned tourist company, which goes “into Lukashenko’s pockets,” she said."

why anyone can "celebrate" these events, is beyond me.

Nicenanny3

07:54growstuff

It's not up to me to sort out immigration, way above my pay grade, that's what we have politicians for and what a mess they have made of our country. Blair when he opened the floodgates, then Cameron who said he was going to get it down to 10s of thousands, then Johnson, Sunak although I think he at least did have a plan, now soft touch Starmer and the highly overrated Cooper.

But it doesn't appear to be above your paygrade to criticise rational decisions which have been made. The fact is that the country needs immigrants and no amount of passing the buck to politicians is going to change that. The solution, of course, would be to use the income derived from immigrants to expand and improve infrastructure.

Nicenanny3

11:52HousePlantQueen

If this thread upsets you so much I suggest you don't come on it. I honestly don't know what I've said that is repellent perhaps you can inform me. I'm just reporting the news and posting daily updates on the migrant crossings, I've not sworn or called any other posters nasty names so I'm perplexed, or are you repelled because my views are not the same as yours, well it might come as a big shock to you but out in the big world people do have different views.

But you seem to be advocating the practice of just shooting people!

Chestnut

Meanwhile, 1,000 more migrants have arrived on our shores since Labour came to power.

Whether legal or illegal, I did not ask to have my country overwhelmed with people from all over the world. Immigration needs to be tackled in every way possible because no country can survive the level of change we are experiencing.

Oh yes it can! The UK/British Isles has been a nation of immigrants since the beginning if time.

Not in the numbers we are experiencing now. In the past immigrants have had to house and feed themselves. Those arriving on boats in their thousands are housed and fed by the taxpayer.

growstuff
Oh yes it can! The UK/British Isles has been a nation of immigrants since the beginning if time

Of course we have and I agree that we should have a faster and more robust way of granting or refusing asylum to those who come through legal channels.

Are you saying that the illegal migrants are doing the right thing and should be allowed to continue pouring into the UK, growstuff?

If yes, do you think squatters who move into people’s houses are equally justified?

Germanshepherdsmum

Not in the numbers we are experiencing now. In the past immigrants have had to house and feed themselves. Those arriving on boats in their thousands are housed and fed by the taxpayer.

You're referring to those arriving without a visa. Other posts are about immigrants in general. Maybe it would be helpful if people didn't confuse the two and talk about "immigration" under a single heading. Immigration in general increases the UK's GDP.

Mollygo

growstuff
Oh yes it can! The UK/British Isles has been a nation of immigrants since the beginning if time

Of course we have and I agree that we should have a faster and more robust way of granting or refusing asylum to those who come through legal channels.

Are you saying that the illegal migrants are doing the right thing and should be allowed to continue pouring into the UK, growstuff?

If yes, do you think squatters who move into people’s houses are equally justified?

I didn't write anything of the sort!

I was refuting the claim "no country can survive the level of change we are experiencing". Just look back in time and it's so obvious that statement just isn't true. The country has survived far greater change.

growstuff

Chestnut

Meanwhile, 1,000 more migrants have arrived on our shores since Labour came to power.

Whether legal or illegal, I did not ask to have my country overwhelmed with people from all over the world. Immigration needs to be tackled in every way possible because no country can survive the level of change we are experiencing.

Oh yes it can! The UK/British Isles has been a nation of immigrants since the beginning if time.

You are wearing blinkers if you think we can survive the speed and numbers we are experiencing. You think a population increase of 5 million in 14 years is okay? That's 5 million more people requiring homes, hospitals, schools, prisons, clean water. I'm afraid 10 years from now you'll realise how wrong you were. How many more cities do you want us to build? And how can we ever keep up with so many new arrivals as the years go by?

Errr ... no ... just my normal reading glasses!

Incidentally, as a year by year percentage increase of numbers, the population increased more in the latter part of the nineteenth century.

You're talking about less than a 10% increase in 14 years - and that's mainly because the emigration figures have decreased.

Of course we have and I agree that we should have a faster and more robust way of granting or refusing asylum to those who come through legal channels.
How fast and robust would it need to be? We've had 1,000 arrive on boats since Labour took over and they would need assessing along with the legal arrivals. Don't forget many throw out their passports and ID.

Growstuff I didn’t say you said that.
. I asked if you think
the illegal migrants are doing the right thing and should be allowed to continue pouring into the UK.
That’s an easy yes/no question.
Do you think we can continue to absorb people who bypass legal channels into a country already struggling with housing, schools, food banks, jobs, etc?

Isn't part of the problem the paucity of safe and legal routes?
If there were, it would be easier to sort out and assess.

Chestnut

^Of course we have and I agree that we should have a faster and more robust way of granting or refusing asylum to those who come through legal channels.^
How fast and robust would it need to be? We've had 1,000 arrive on boats since Labour took over and they would need assessing along with the legal arrivals. Don't forget many throw out their passports and ID.

What you describe is status quo for an average summer week of arrivals Chestnut. The situation hasn’t changed at all since Labour came into power. It will inevitably take time for things to change.

Mollygo

Growstuff I didn’t say you said that.
. I asked if you think
the illegal migrants are doing the right thing and should be allowed to continue pouring into the UK.
That’s an easy yes/no question.
Do you think we can continue to absorb people who bypass legal channels into a country already struggling with housing, schools, food banks, jobs, etc?

This isn't some kind of interrogation. Incidentally, immigrants aren't pouring into the country. I might feel more inclined to answer a question without hyperbole.

PS. You really don't seem to have taken on board the fact that most immigrants (the ones using resources) are in the UK legally and contributing to the balance of payments and general economy.

growstuff

Errr ... no ... just my normal reading glasses!

Incidentally, as a year by year percentage increase of numbers, the population increased more in the latter part of the nineteenth century.

You're talking about less than a 10% increase in 14 years - and that's mainly because the emigration figures have decreased.

Whew, that's fine then. I was worried for a moment that 5 million people was rather a lot. Obviously it's perfectly fine and we can absorb them with no problem. Incidentally, that is the population of New Zealand.

So we have increased our population by the total population of New Zealand in just 14 years. And you think that's okay and we need more.

Going by percentages is a flawed argument. We have 67 million people living on this very small island already. So the more people the smaller the percentage.

PS Growstuff, you obviously didn’t read my post @ 12.56

www.express.co.uk/news/world/1922204/eu-border-migrants-poland-belarus-russia-vladimir-putin

They don't mess around over in Poland.
As Wyllow3 points out, the situation in Poland involves a serious threat from Russia. It is useless to post random examples of the migrant situation in Poland without providing a link to put it into context.

Chestnut

growstuff

Errr ... no ... just my normal reading glasses!

Incidentally, as a year by year percentage increase of numbers, the population increased more in the latter part of the nineteenth century.

You're talking about less than a 10% increase in 14 years - and that's mainly because the emigration figures have decreased.

Whew, that's fine then. I was worried for a moment that 5 million people was rather a lot. Obviously it's perfectly fine and we can absorb them with no problem. Incidentally, that is the population of New Zealand.

So we have increased our population by the total population of New Zealand in just 14 years. And you think that's okay and we need more.

Going by percentages is a flawed argument. We have 67 million people living on this very small island already. So the more people the smaller the percentage.

11% of this small island is built on. There's plenty of space.