Police car flipped over and bus on fire in Leeds as riots break out.

Are you muddling Roma people with Romanians?

primrose

Whitewavemark2

Are you muddling Roma people with Romanians?

No.

The uk is much richer for being multicultural

Iam64

News reports today indicate the baby had a fractured skull after being dropped on the head. The parents say the injury was caused by one of the older children. Four of them had been left for a period of time whilst their parents were out. The decision to remove the children followed the parents decision to leave the country

The news spread quickly through the Roma community in the area. Spokesperson said they get persecuted at home, all over Europe and now in the UK

There was an interview with a male neighbour (will try and find it) he said that the baby fell out of a window whilst in the care of its elder siblings?

Primrose53

Whitewavemark2

Are you muddling Roma people with Romanians?

No.

In which case why talk about the tents in London and Romania as if they are associated with Roma people?

Rioting breaks out in Leeds so let’s look into Social Services, the police, the Government. Anyone but the rioters. Whatever the reasons for taking the children, right or wrong, will come to light in due course, but does that justify what then unfolded? Of course not. Surely we can all agree on that? Someone said the footage showed a white person throwing stones. How about the vast majority who were there who were non whites with lighters in their hands setting fire to the bus, throwing far more than stones and perpetrating the riots? If anyone thinks the vast majority of rioters were white then I’m afraid you have lost the plot. If they had been white I’m pretty sure they would be all over the MSM as far right people running riot. Why are people so scared to have a proper conversation about this? If it’s grooming gangs, rioting, whatever, it needs to be called out as should any violence from far right extremism’s. Yet people continue to make excuses, sweep it under the carpet. The legacy this is leaving for our children and grandchildren is frightening, and our generation will be to blame. But, that’s just my opinion, and no doubt I will get called all the usual names, but I’m sick and tired of all the excuses and worst of all the failure to even be able to discuss it.

The home secretary has condemned violent disorder that broke out on the streets of Leeds, describing it as "audacious criminality".

Ms Cooper said: "I've been talking to West Yorkshire Police officers and also to local community leaders about the action they are taking in response to these unacceptable scenes of disorder and criminality that we saw last night.

Pictures and videos are over all over MSM: (some showing the children being taken, which I deplore)

it shows clearly the smashing of the police car and other incidents "by colour" - but no one to my knowledge has said "far right" - the term being used, quite properly, is criminal.

And the councillor involved in trying to halt some of the violence said and I believe quite properly, that underlying causes of frustration, social deprivation, poverty had a great deal with it.

I think a sensible approach would be to examine the full circumstances, not over politicise.

There are good and bad people in all countries and communities.

I have a lot of dealings with social services and I think they are very careful not to discriminate or be prejudiced in any way. If abuse/neglect was suspected and the family were planning on leaving the country, what could SS do? We've already had a case recently where a couple went 'on the run' with a baby to avoid SS and the baby died. Children need protection and from my own experience and POV I really don't think they hastily take children into their care, quite the opposite, they work with families to access support, parenting classes, family support workers etc. Cuts to services has all made this a lot harder though, that goes without saying.

Whitewavemark2
It’s reported that the family are Roma people who come from Romania as are many others in that area, some even from the same village there.
Having some experience with Roma people I can tell you they are very difficult to deal with at times.

Whitewavemark2

The home secretary has condemned violent disorder that broke out on the streets of Leeds, describing it as "audacious criminality".

Ms Cooper said: "I've been talking to West Yorkshire Police officers and also to local community leaders about the action they are taking in response to these unacceptable scenes of disorder and criminality that we saw last night.

She’s not wrong.
It needs nipping in the bud before becoming another Croyden.

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Oreo

Whitewavemark2
It’s reported that the family are Roma people who come from Romania as are many others in that area, some even from the same village there.
Having some experience with Roma people I can tell you they are very difficult to deal with at times.

Correct Oreo. There have been severalTV progs in recent years about Roma folk who have moved to Romania. Basically they live in hovels and their lives have barely changed in centuries. It showed a couple of their menfolk coming to theUK to earn money to send home so they can build their mini mansions that they love.

whitewavemark2 because they are!

Mt61

I agree 100% with your comment and will add that I once lived in a multi ethnic area, mainly Pakistani and some Indian. Then the Roma moved into our road. If you think the Pakistani community were happy about it you’d be wrong.

Roma are truly awful. Yes there may be a few exceptions but there were running brawls on our small road. Thieving, drunkenness, wife beating, children running amok. I once rang the police as a boy of about 10 was running around with a large knife. The police used to come and quieten things down but never any arrests. One police sergeant just advised me to move as it’s only going to get worse!

With respect, many on here have no idea and just have this fuzzy, wuzzy vision of multi cultural utopia. I fear for my grandchildren and have for a long time and you sneer and label people that voted Reform as racists.

I voted Reform because reform is what’s needed in the UK. Something, many things have to change but when I read some of the excuses on here and from politicians I despair.

Roma are a gypsy tribe and not all from Romania. Many are from Poland.

Freya5

Iam64

News reports today indicate the baby had a fractured skull after being dropped on the head. The parents say the injury was caused by one of the older children. Four of them had been left for a period of time whilst their parents were out. The decision to remove the children followed the parents decision to leave the country

The news spread quickly through the Roma community in the area. Spokesperson said they get persecuted at home, all over Europe and now in the UK

Persecuted, so you don't expect any investigation by authorities when a child presents with a skill fracture, possibly caused by a sibling, really. They should just be left alone to carry on, just because they are an ethnic minority. REALLY

Freya I don’t know why you conclude I don’t expect any investigation by authorities with a skull fracture etc
My post presented the facts as they were known at that time. In no way did I imply * they shoulf be left alone to carry on, just because they’re an ethnic minority* I simply repeated what was said by a spokesperson from the Roma community.

Peadiatricians, social workers and police who work in safeguarding will be very familiar with parents who explain injuries to infants as being caused by an older sibling. They will also be familiar with complaints from various ethnic or minority groups that they’re being picked on, bullied, treated differently as a result.

SHOUTING as you did towards me doesn’t add to discussion. This is a very significant safeguarding issue. Investigations will have taken place. No doubt the parent intention to leave the country meant action had to take place. I’ve no doubt the family spread the word with the result their friends neighbours and families turned out. Others followed and we all saw the film of police forcibly removing two older children and the riot that followed .
Before anyone shouts at me, I’m not criticising the action the uniformed officers took. Emotions were obviously escalating inside the house as well as outside. Awful circumstances for all

Indeed Iam. A very measured account from you.
Thank you.

tickingbird

Roma are a gypsy tribe and not all from Romania. Many are from Poland.

Roma are nomadic tickingbird. They don’t consider themselves to be ‘from’ Europe at all, and the first recording of Roma in the UK was in the sixteenth century. They are not all immigrants.

Roma people originate from the Punjab area of northern India.

Indeed a measured account. Vast experience in safeguarding children tends to give people the ability to understand situations such as this.

tickingbird

Roma are a gypsy tribe and not all from Romania. Many are from Poland.

We know that thanks. They have settled all over eastern europe.

GrannyGravy13

Roma people originate from the Punjab area of northern India.

We know that too. thanks.

This isn’t about where they originate from. I don’t need educating on the origins of the Roma or any other gypsies.

I pointed out that some believe Roma to be from Romania because of the name, but, hey, let’s digress so we don’t have to confront any uncomfortable truths eh?

On local facebook... 'Roma people are from Rome which is the capital of Romania'