Police car flipped over and bus on fire in Leeds as riots break out.

tickingbird

This isn’t about where they originate from. I don’t need educating on the origins of the Roma or any other gypsies.

I pointed out that some believe Roma to be from Romania because of the name, but, hey, let’s digress so we don’t have to confront any uncomfortable truths eh?

You clearly do, or you wouldn’t have ignored the reality that many of the Roma in the UK are in fact as native as you are yourself, with family origins here going back 500 years.

tickingbird

This isn’t about where they originate from. I don’t need educating on the origins of the Roma or any other gypsies.

I pointed out that some believe Roma to be from Romania because of the name, but, hey, let’s digress so we don’t have to confront any uncomfortable truths eh?

Sorry tickingbird. I know the difference as you obviously do too but whitewavemark2 thinks people don’t.

The Roma who moved into your road sound pretty typical. Even their kids are mini hooligans. The friend I mentioned who lived in Romania and was frightened of the Roma who took over their accommodation had two teen nieces with her. Their kids came round on the pretext of being friends but pinched make up, deodorants, hair clips etc.

Many years ago at the school in which I taught, a Roma child came in one morning with very severe bruising on her legs. She said her father had beaten her as she wouldn’t eat her’grub’. Social services came and they involved the police. They were just on the point of taking the child to the police station when they realised she was Roma. Everything stopped, and nothing was ever done .

Then after all that time would you not have though they could have assimilated better to British values and ‘way of life’?

Mt61

Rioting breaks out in Leeds so let’s look into Social Services, the police, the Government. Anyone but the rioters. Whatever the reasons for taking the children, right or wrong, will come to light in due course, but does that justify what then unfolded? Of course not. Surely we can all agree on that? Someone said the footage showed a white person throwing stones. How about the vast majority who were there who were non whites with lighters in their hands setting fire to the bus, throwing far more than stones and perpetrating the riots? If anyone thinks the vast majority of rioters were white then I’m afraid you have lost the plot. If they had been white I’m pretty sure they would be all over the MSM as far right people running riot. Why are people so scared to have a proper conversation about this? If it’s grooming gangs, rioting, whatever, it needs to be called out as should any violence from far right extremism’s. Yet people continue to make excuses, sweep it under the carpet. The legacy this is leaving for our children and grandchildren is frightening, and our generation will be to blame. But, that’s just my opinion, and no doubt I will get called all the usual names, but I’m sick and tired of all the excuses and worst of all the failure to even be able to discuss it.

You won’t get called any names from me Mt61 - completely agree with you. What is happening to our country at the moment is frightening and I see no end to it. It was bad enough when Conservatives were in power but under this Labour government it is just going to go from bad to worse.

Mt61

Then after all that time would you not have though they could have assimilated better to British values and ‘way of life’?

They don’t assimilate with native communities anywhere in the world Mt61. They are nomadic, they speak their own language, and don’t mix. There are Roma populations in all European countries as far as I know, they are definitely in Italy, Spain, Portugal as well as the more eastern countries.

Mt61 did you see the Police running away from the scene the other night and then the fire service refusing to go in?

They did so because they are well aware of what the Roma are like. They feared for their lives.

Mt61 the police withdrew because their presence was making the situation worse. They won't have just run away as they will have been ordered to leave.

GrannyGravy13

Roma people originate from the Punjab area of northern India.

At last, someone knows where the Roma originated from 👏👏👏
I lived in Bulgaria for some years and employed quite a few Roma over the years so I got to know their way of life pretty well. They are very hard workers.
My friend in Bulgaria owns 4 gold and silver shops in the holiday resorts. The best employees she’s ever had.

We had a holiday rental property in Brasov, that’s in Transylvania where Dracula’s Castle is.
We lived not too far from the border with Romania so we could get to our property there in about 5 hrs. If we couldn’t a Roma family would be there to meet renters.
The Roma/ non Roma situation is very complex. Chicken and egg comes to mind.
Not enough space here to explain.

Thanks AGAA4 for keeping reality in this thread. The fire crews took the decision not to go in for the same reason, their presence would add to the hostility and criminal damage from the crowds.
As Casdon says, the Roma community is nomadic, they have been persecuted and ostracised, as a result they band together if as they have in this situation. Their mistrust and hostility to authority figures adds to the difficulties and tensions where safeguarding is concerned. They see themselves as strong families and don’t welcome what they see as interference from agencies. I’ve just seen on line (daily mail) that the parents are on hunger strike with the aim of getting their children returned to them
It’s all very high emotion in the Roma community. The family have done nothing wrong - they’re being persecuted seems to be the belief system

sometimes there are cultural differences in child-rearing.
remember when some UK hosts had problems with Ukrainian refugees leaving their children alone in the house.
the hosts said they couldn't supervise the child, the parent didn't see the need for any supervision . . .

The public doesn't even know what really happened. It could have been neglect, abuse or an accident for all any of us know. At least the baby was taken to hospital, which is more than some children who have died from abuse ever have been.

Of course the hospital had a duty to report the suspicions and social services were right to take away the children until the facts are established.

It would appear that the social media grapevine then went into overdrive and I'm sure we all know how facts get mangled in the process. There are communities (Roma aren't the only ones) who dislike authority figures and react instinctively ... and then anti-socials love to join in the fray.

Farage even tweeted a criticism of Muslims ... as others condemned the Muslim councillor who tried to calm things down and poured water on the fire.

This incident involved one Roma family, but it doesn't take long for people to pile in and condemn every Roma person.

I haven’t even mentioned the police….

Most UK Roma are Christians, not sure if people were aware of that, but it would appear that Farage wasn’t when he tweeted.

I think it’s quite culturally normal for some children to suffer from benign neglect in the UK. It’s when it’s actual neglect the thresholds are met 🤷‍♀️

Casdon

Most UK Roma are Christians, not sure if people were aware of that, but it would appear that Farage wasn’t when he tweeted.

His tweet disgusted me when it was the local councillor and a youth worker who intervened - having a go at Muslims in his utter ignorance

Daily Express

"Footage shared today shows the moment a Leeds Green councillor and Muslim community outreach campaigner risked his own life to try to bring an end to the violent scenes.

Councillor Mothin Ali confronted rioters in the burning street as he told them: "Stop it, stop it! This is our neighbourhood! This is our neighbourhood."

A rioter then tells him, "it's gonna get worse."

He replies: "Well don't burn it then!."

The other man with Cllr Mothin Ali, believed to be Ustadh Mohammed Adam Aslam, a local Muslim youth worker, then comes to the rioters and screams "Who's inside that house? You gonna be blamed for their deaths?

"Think before you act! There's children in there. There's families in there. Think before you act. This is our neighbourhood"

I saw that on video Wyllow, very brave in the midst of the mayhem.

Mt61 I completely agree with you as well. Your summary is spot on.

A man has been charged with arson and violent disorder after a bus was set on fire during riots in Leeds on Thursday night.

He was named as Iustin Dobre, 37, and will appear at Leeds Magistrates' Court on Monday.

A further five people were arrested on suspicion of violent disorder on Saturday and remain in police custody, West Yorkshire Police said.
Sky News

This video is quite helpful re the police withdrawal and the general nature of the protests.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/leeds-riot-harehills-news-police-b2582674.html#

AGAA4

Mt61 the police withdrew because their presence was making the situation worse. They won't have just run away as they will have been ordered to leave.

Not what the locals say. 😉

inews.co.uk/news/leeds-police-outnumbered-ran-away-riot-locals-claim-3179735

It's a good article, primrose.

Mothin Ali seems to speak from the heart. Thankfully there are decent people in the world.

Why is it that the only person named is Romanian when one very distinctive photo showed an obviously Asian man setting light to a bus.
I know why and I’m sure many others do.

petra

Why is it that the only person named is Romanian when one very distinctive photo showed an obviously Asian man setting light to a bus.
I know why and I’m sure many others do.

Probably because they are unable to name the five people still in custody until they are charged petra. Was that the reason you were thinking of?