Police car flipped over and bus on fire in Leeds as riots break out.

Casdon

You clearly do, or you wouldn’t have ignored the reality that many of the Roma in the UK are in fact as native as you are yourself, with family origins here going back 500 years.

I didn’t ignore anything; you are the one ignoring the facts here. I understand you are loathe to address the issues surrounding the events in Leeds as it doesn’t suit your narrative. However, many people are willing to face up to the problems facing the UK due to mass immigration. Even the loathsome, hypocrite Blair has urged KS to get to grips with it, which is more than rich considering his actions when in power.

Now let’s get back to the OP shall we?

No, you are the one ignoring the fact that everybody in the UK has immigrant ancestry - some have ancestors who were more recent immigrants. Some Roma have families have ancestry which goes back 100s of years in the UK. You are confusing people with different cultures (not that there's a single culture in the UK anyway) with immigration.

petra

Why is it that the only person named is Romanian when one very distinctive photo showed an obviously Asian man setting light to a bus.
I know why and I’m sure many others do.

Why do you think that man is obviously Asian? I've seen the video too and I didn't draw that conclusion.

Primrose the Police left as their presence was making things worse and the British police have no means of defence against these thugs. I don't think they were even wearing riot gear. In other countries water cannons and tear gas would have been used.
They were told to withdraw as the situation could have resulted in serious injury. When they left things calmed down.
I always wonder why some people demean the police at every opportunity 🤔 mmm ......

Cadeby

Mothin Ali seems to speak from the heart. Thankfully there are decent people in the world.

He may care about his own neighbourhood and Gaza, he was the elected Green who said his win was ‘for Gaza’.

AGAA4

Primrose the Police left as their presence was making things worse and the British police have no means of defence against these thugs. I don't think they were even wearing riot gear. In other countries water cannons and tear gas would have been used.
They were told to withdraw as the situation could have resulted in serious injury. When they left things calmed down.
I always wonder why some people demean the police at every opportunity 🤔 mmm ......

On the other hand, these were the self same tactics used in Croyden some years ago, police standing by helplessly then withdrawing and allowing looting burning and general mayhem to go on unchecked.I had hoped that they’d learned a lesson from that.
If ‘their presence makes things worse and the British police have no defence against these thugs’ then what are they for?

So what do you suggest as the only outcome is injury in these battles? We don't use the tactics of other countries in these riots. The police only have batons against frenzied thugs.
One of our friends was killed in riots years ago trying to subdue an angry mob. He was 25 and left a wife and 2 year old child.
Until we give the police the resources to deal with these situations then I don't expect them to give up their lives fighting hooligans.

Our police have history of policing by consent. It’s incorrect to say they ran away. No one could have predicted this reaction to a safeguarding issue. If information already known suggests A police presence is needed during this type of sw involvement that will happen. It usually avoids the emotional temperature escalating, which is best for all concerned.
They didn’t ‘run away’, they were obviously advised to withdraw. What else do posters say they should have done? This blew up quickly, no dogs, horses, protective shields. Our police are usually running towards trouble as we retreat. That’s what they did initially. Look at the violence towards police property - officers were risking their lives. I’m relieved they retreated.

X posted with you AGAA4.

Oreo

Cadeby

Mothin Ali seems to speak from the heart. Thankfully there are decent people in the world.

He may care about his own neighbourhood and Gaza, he was the elected Green who said his win was ‘for Gaza’.

His support for Gaza wasn't relevant in this situation and he he didn't mention it in his interviews AFAIK.

AGAA4

So what do you suggest as the only outcome is injury in these battles? We don't use the tactics of other countries in these riots. The police only have batons against frenzied thugs.
One of our friends was killed in riots years ago trying to subdue an angry mob. He was 25 and left a wife and 2 year old child.
Until we give the police the resources to deal with these situations then I don't expect them to give up their lives fighting hooligans.

until we give the police the resources to deal with these situations

And that is the crux of the matter. In today’s world our police are woefully unable to deal with these situations because for some reason, they are expected to go into riots with no body armour or protective clothing and they have nothing with which to disperse the crowd. I think they need water cannons like the French or tear gas because with no protection and nothing to cause the crowd to disperse, they have absolutely no way to calm the situation.

Thank you Iam64. I think we see the situation in the same way.

I agree with your post at 09.52 Iam64.

That's how I see it too Iam64.

Pepper spray? tasers? I can’t believe the police are still unarmed in this day and age, poor devils. No wonder they can’t get enough of them.

Yes, me too.

I do too.

One thing that struck me was that despite the riots
"Yorkshire Police confirmed no one was injured in the events"

The other factor was that as the events continued numbers of people from outside the area arrived to join the criminal activities.

nanna8

Pepper spray? tasers? I can’t believe the police are still unarmed in this day and age, poor devils. No wonder they can’t get enough of them.

Exactly. They have nothing. I would hate our police to be routinely armed but they need more than a baton to deal with rioters.

I don't know what the police were to do either

I sincerely hope we don't mean guns.

I cant imagine any police force - maybe except London? Could find huge numbers of police with full riot gear within about an hour.

And tbh, not sure that would have been the best situation either. The events of that night were a most unusual set of unpredictable circumstances that suddenly flared up.

I don’t think anyone means guns Wyllow. We are proud of our police officers not being routinely armed with guns in this country. Of course we do have armed police where it is deemed necessary, but I don’t think this situation was a situation that needed guns. No, I think most posters feel that the police need more protective body armour, and shields, and also in order to disperse rioters, something such as water cannons or tear gas. Like the French.

Aren't water cannon illegal in the UK?

Remember Johnson spaffing £millions away on buying water cannon for London which couldn't be used?

Nobody wants the police to be armed but riots do flare up suddenly and the police need to be able to subdue them quickly. There are other methods to quell riots than bullets.

MaizieD

Aren't water cannon illegal in the UK?

Remember Johnson spaffing £millions away on buying water cannon for London which couldn't be used?

Maybe they shouldn’t be!

I don’t know where this idea about policing only with consent came from.It was certainly not true in the past.Police used to go in hard where lawbreaking was concerned.
Of course they didn't run away’ it was decided for them to withdraw but what message does that send out?
Police do have stab vests and riot police have all the gear come to that.
I agree tho that water cannon could also be brought out when there’s severe disruption/ riots on the street.
This Leeds case wasn’t too bad and was confined to a few streets in Hareshill apparently but could have been dealt with
better by bringing in more police to contain and arrest.

No, you are the one ignoring the fact that everybody in the UK has immigrant ancestry - some have ancestors who were more recent immigrants. Some Roma have families have ancestry which goes back 100s of years in the UK. You are confusing people with different cultures (not that there's a single culture in the UK anyway) with immigration

Yes according to some self loathing anti British types. We all know Britain or should I say England, was built by immigrants. There’s not one native that’s contributed anything to these islands, it’s all down to immigrants. Does that extend to those same immigrants plundering and colonising large parts of the world or were they UK natives only?

It’s strange how one prolific, fiercely Scottish independence poster (no longer here) stated her DNA test revealed she was 100% Scottish, no foreign blood at all. She used to come out with this we’re all immigrants nonsense too. Unfortunately for her she had a poor memory and I used to take pleasure in reminding her of her previous posts. However, I digress.

As I stated previously I have first hand knowledge of Roma gypsies and the experience was far from pleasant.