Transwomen take all three medals in 'women's' cycling championship.

I know. Its very hard and even more unfair fancythat.
Personally, I'm boycotting the Olympics. No point in watching sport that has been so badly distorted.

So wrong! I tried to upload the photo from the Mail, with the trans winners on the podium, towering over the only women!

It makes me angry that this is allowed. Things have gone too far now. Pointless for women to compete if men are able to take part in women's sports.
It feels as though women are being phased out.

I'm completely against transpeople competing in biological sex categories in sports.

It has been in the hands of Sports Organisations for years, but still a long way to go to reach the point of across the board bans.

What Lisa Nandy said was to affirm it was up to individual sports to decide whether to let biological males compete against women in their respective fields.

It would be new ground for governments to intervene in Sports Bodies decisions: at top level international ones..

What Nandy implies is that Labour support male rights over female rights and will pass the buck to avoid having to do anything about it.

Tennis will be next. This really does need to be seriously addressed before it gets to the point where women will simply not bother to be competitive. Biological men, whatever they choose to call themselves, are always going to be physically stronger than biological women. It's just a fact which cannot be altered and makes for unfair competition, simple as that! As has been suggested, by all means have three categories, no one would have an issue with that, but men competing in women's sport is definitely not on.

DH says it’s because Starmer is more afraid of TW (males) and TRA than he is of females.
He could well be right.

Supporting cheats?
Refusing to support females against cheats? Is that New Labour? What an achievement in the first 100 days!

I know you are rightfully angry Mollygo and as a L Party member as you know have made my views just above quite clear, they are widely shared except by a minority:

but it is simply a fact that International sports bodies are the ones to make the decisions - just as, for example, the WI do, not politicians from a single country. This is why governments have not intervened for years although have intervened as in the Cass report and so on.

It's the Sports Organisations have to be held to account and persuaded to adopt what all agree here is right policy, ie biological sex determines the physical characteristics of participants abilities and level playing field excludes transwomen.

Yoginimeisje

So wrong! I tried to upload the photo from the Mail, with the trans winners on the podium, towering over the only women!

And with his male body clearly visible - muscles and more

Doodledog raises the progress women have made in equality. Most men are as pleased as we are about that but, the small noisy trans activists seem as angry with women as Andrew Tate and his followers. I’ve mentioned before the threats to three of my friends thst they’d be ‘raped to death with my lady penis’. The offence they’d caused was to join a discussion at a feminist conference where the issue of adolescent boys sharing dorms with the girls on guide camps. The Guiding movement had decided there was no need for the fact that Billie isn’t a girl but a boy who wants to be a girl.
There is sonething truly awful going on.

I wonder if the US (or any other country for that matter) overlook the arguments above and are purely interested in winning medals, by any means.

Wyllow3
Passing the buck and making excuses wasn’t acceptable for Conservatives to do. It isn’t acceptable for Labour to do either.
Making it worse by condoning the actions of the international sporting bodies as Nandy has done, demonstrated Labour’s attitude to females.

Many Labour women have made themselves clear as regards sports in the UK, "demonstrated Labour’s attitude to females."

labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/mp-briefing-protecting-female-sports/

Many Conservatives made themselves clear about how they views some of the actions of their party.
Sorry, I don’t remember Labour acknowledging that.

It’s the Labour minister in charge of culture that represents Labour’s stance.

That is a refusal to say that males should not compete in female events and a passing the buck to others to avoid having to say it.
I was really hoping for something better when Labour got in.

TerriBull

I agree with Bluebell, 3 defined biological people, should equate to 3 categories. Otherwise it all comes across as cynical knowing ploys to erase women out, they, the trans know they can trounce women every time. What's the point therefore of devoting hours of time and effort into a pursuit they, the actual women don't have a hope in hell of competing in, in any meaningful way against male bodied people. It's rubbish! Anyone with a sense of fairness knows it's cynical manipulation and so unfair.

3 categories? But what about ‘trans’ men? Would they want to compete against ‘trans’ women? Then we’ve got four categories.

To me they are not ‘trans’ anything. They are men/women who want to dress and act ( as much as they can within the rules of sport etc) like the opposite sex, and why not? As long as they’re not affecting anybody else, I really don’t care.

Daddima
As long as they’re not affecting anybody else, I really don’t care.
Neither do I, but does your definition of
not affecting anybody include males competing in female sports, especially when they’re doing it because they failed against their biological competitors?

This is not a right/left issue, as I repeatedly said when we had a Tory government and was accused of being right wing for being feminist. I didn’t engage with that then, and am not getting dragged into if from the other ‘side’ either.

Mollygo

Daddima
As long as they’re not affecting anybody else, I really don’t care.
Neither do I, but does your definition of
not affecting anybody include males competing in female sports, especially when they’re doing it because they failed against their biological competitors?

Absolutely not, Mollygo, that’s definitely affecting other people! I’m sure there are quite a few people who do dress as the opposite sex without making a song and dance about it, or demanding that we use the correct pronouns.
It’s the song and dancers who are causing all the trouble!

The singing and dancing, leave me unmoved. The lying and cheating and taking what isn’t rightfully yours is totally unacceptable.
Some TW keep telling me that trans women are the same as women. It’s a lie.
Water that comes out of the tap is great for drinking but it’s not the same as water in the toilet unless you’re in the habit of drinking that.

I want to weep at this appalling news. Where/when will it end ? If this was a sci-fi or dystopian film I would laugh at how ludicrous the storyline is, sadly it is now reality.

Absolutely diabolical. What will happen now is that born and bred women will stop taking part in sports when transgender people are involved. How can this be allowed.

I find it totally bizarre. Can you imagine this happening in our parents' time. How have we come to this? How on earth is this acceptable to some people.

I think it's acceptable to the 'winners' because prizes have got so big.

It's probably easier to live with knowing you got your title unfairly when your bank balance is buzzing.

I don't know how the situation is acceptable to members of the public, the sports authorities or GN posters though.

It is really gaining money under false pretences. They competed in a sport for women and they are not women.
I can't see how this dishonesty is acceptable to anybody.

AGAA4

It is really gaining money under false pretences. They competed in a sport for women and they are not women.
I can't see how this dishonesty is acceptable to anybody.

It’s acceptable to those TW who do it
and to the sporting authorities who condone it
and to the government of any country who say it’s not their problem, and pass the buck, making no effort to stop it.
Why are governments afraid to stand up and say no to this cheating?
Do they not care so long as their country wins the medals?

It is lack of ethics at best and corruption at worst.