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Riots in Southport

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Jaxjacky Tue 30-Jul-24 21:56:23

I’m fuming about this, allegedly the English Defence League, attacking a local mosque, police attacked and vehicle set on fire. The police have reiterated ‘ the person under arrest was born in the UK’ and to ignore misinformation on social media.
Those poor residents grieving and in shock without the EDL basically stirring.

Cossy Sun 04-Aug-24 17:15:08

AGAA4

It's gone too far. Trying to burn people is horrifying.

It went too far the second “someone” spread malicious lies about the perpetrator of this heartbreaking and shocking crime.

The first time they threw a brick at the police, the first time they became a mob and disrupted communities, communities they don’t live in themselves!

It’s utterly disgraceful and entirely unacceptable.

It’s almost as if it were all planned to take place in the first few weeks of a Labour govt taking power.

Every single one of the violent “protestors” should feel utterly ashamed, every single one of their relatives should give them up before someone is killed.

#notinmyname

Whitewavemark2 Sun 04-Aug-24 17:24:04

Rioting and free speech.

Information from a lawyer

On the riots:

1. There is no justification for rioting, violence, racial harassment or racial violence. None whatsoever.

2. That's why none of those behaviours are protected by the human right to free expression or to assembly, and there is accordingly no defence of free expression to those offences.

3. The police have sufficient powers to deal with the rioting - the original Public Order Act (1936) was enacted to deal with far right processions through Jewish areas. It has been extensively updated.

4. Riot, violent disorder, affray, racial hatred and many more offences all have high penalties, and there are also many ways the police can control public processions and assemblies both under the POA and in other legislation such as relating to antisocial behaviour and serious crime prevention orders (already mentioned by the government).

5. There is certainly a debate to be had over immigration and social cohesion. Violent riots have nothing to do with that debate. These are not protests they are mob violence.

6. If people are anti-immigration there are political parties like Reform and the right of the Tory Party who robustly express those views. The far right (and I mean the real far right - the ones rioting at the moment) are not adding anything except fear and violent carnage.

7. Muslim, asylum seeker and other communities which are being targeted must be protected by the authorities and supported by the wider public. They are vulnerable communities and we need to use every possible resource to keep them safe. The rule of law must prevail.

8. No lawyers should be supporting or justifying these riots nor should they be flirting with far right leaders like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.

9. That said, in the coming weeks and months, plenty of lawyers will be called upon to defend the people accused of riots, violence, assaults, even murders. Those lawyers will be doing what lawyers should do - acting without fear or favour for their clients. They should be commended for doing so and not associated with those clients.

10. Keir Starmer has been here before (though in a different context) with the London riots and will hopefully have a good sense of what to do to contain them. I appreciate the courts are already overburdened but the idea of getting rioters through the system quickly if possible is a good one because it takes them off the streets and also shows others who are considering joining in what is going to happen to them if they do.

11. It's probably going to be rough period for our country because there appear to be enough people willing to cause carnage in many areas. It will be rough for the police and vulnerable communities, and for the still new government. I hope that our authorities are able to get a grip on things, but the people ultimately responsible are the ones who are smashing and burning things, not the authorities, politicians, people on X (though spreading misinformation can do real harm, and nobody should be encouraging this whether online or in person). There will be time later for political point scoring but I don't think it is really helping now.

AGAA4 Sun 04-Aug-24 17:24:45

Of course you are right Cossy this bedlam should never have started at all.

Sparklefizz Sun 04-Aug-24 17:29:25

The Government needs to get the army in. All these threats warning the thugs are falling on deaf ears. They don't give a fig for authority.

Other countries might use water cannon on them and Boris did indeed buy some water cannons but they were never employed so sold for scrap if I remember rightly. I don't know how I feel about those, but anyway ..... the police cannot continue to be sitting ducks and carried away to hospital. These riots need to be stamped on ASAP. It's mostly rent-a-mob enjoying a fight. They can't be reasoned with.

The army needs to be called in pronto, and Starmer needs to stay in London until these riots are quelled.

Galaxy Sun 04-Aug-24 17:29:48

There is some sense in a lot of that.
I am sure he/she will be delighted with my approval!

MayBee70 Sun 04-Aug-24 17:32:31

Cossy

AGAA4

It's gone too far. Trying to burn people is horrifying.

It went too far the second “someone” spread malicious lies about the perpetrator of this heartbreaking and shocking crime.

The first time they threw a brick at the police, the first time they became a mob and disrupted communities, communities they don’t live in themselves!

It’s utterly disgraceful and entirely unacceptable.

It’s almost as if it were all planned to take place in the first few weeks of a Labour govt taking power.

Every single one of the violent “protestors” should feel utterly ashamed, every single one of their relatives should give them up before someone is killed.

#notinmyname

I agree. I feel that this was pre planned. Eg Farage said Labour were coming to get you. And has said that this is going to get worse. It just said on tv that Elon Musk has said on X that civil war is inevitable in the UK. The very person that has allowed Yaxley Lennon back on X. You’d think that someone with his vast wealth would want to use it to do good, wouldn’t you.

J52 Sun 04-Aug-24 17:35:26

Totally agree Sparklefizz

Oreo Sun 04-Aug-24 17:37:41

Washerwoman

A close relative of ours partner is yet again on duty today after a night in hospital after the riots on Tuesday. He could still be on leave but chose to go back and support his colleagues. Without riot gear he would be seriously injured or worse.As an animal lover I can't help worry about the dogs injured.One badly burned the other day.I feel so angry and worried.

Just awful 💐

Oreo Sun 04-Aug-24 17:40:16

Sparklefizz

The Government needs to get the army in. All these threats warning the thugs are falling on deaf ears. They don't give a fig for authority.

Other countries might use water cannon on them and Boris did indeed buy some water cannons but they were never employed so sold for scrap if I remember rightly. I don't know how I feel about those, but anyway ..... the police cannot continue to be sitting ducks and carried away to hospital. These riots need to be stamped on ASAP. It's mostly rent-a-mob enjoying a fight. They can't be reasoned with.

The army needs to be called in pronto, and Starmer needs to stay in London until these riots are quelled.

I think he is staying in London.
I don’t know why we don’t have water cannon like the French, it’s the most non violent way of dispersing riots there is.

MayBee70 Sun 04-Aug-24 17:53:29

Can’t believe what I’m watching on the news at the moment

Cadeby Sun 04-Aug-24 17:55:37

Whitewavemark2

So now they are setting fire to the hotel which is housing untold numbers of men, women and children.

Attempted murder in my book.

This sort of thing has been going on ( on a smaller scale) for a while now.

And to think there are people still banging on about so called luxury hotels full of illegals.

Cadeby Sun 04-Aug-24 18:04:27

*The Far Right?
In Liverpool? The most Far Left district in England?
The media and Starmer are fooling no-one*

I would assume in a large city, there are people of all political pursuasion and none. Also some of the "protestors" appear to hve been bussed in.

In what way is KS responsible please?

westendgirl Sun 04-Aug-24 18:12:12

How these thugs dare say they want their country back . Their idea of a country has nothing whatsoever to do with my country and I'm sure your's.I was born and bred in the North and I am so ashamed that other Northeners think they should use a tragedy as an opportunity to go out fighting and brawling.Why are they wearing the cross of St George. ? He was born in Turkey/Syria and allegedly never even visited this country.

Oreo Sun 04-Aug-24 18:25:05

It just happens to be the English flag, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 sometimes misused sadly by rioters.

Casdon Sun 04-Aug-24 18:26:00

Side note - I wonder if the proposed riots didn’t get off the ground in Cardiff and Bangor because chanting we want our country back , England etc. and waving St George’s flags would have gone down like a lead balloon - and presumably similarly in Scotland?

MayBee70 Sun 04-Aug-24 18:32:23

Urmstongran

The Far Right?
In Liverpool? The most Far Left district in England?
The media and Starmer are fooling no-one.

It isn’t far left. It’s just that they don’t read The Sun so aren’t indoctrinated with right wing propaganda on a daily basis.

Casdon Sun 04-Aug-24 18:42:15

One thing that is completely beyond me is why people take their young children to riots. Even ones in pushchairs. I don’t get that at all, even if their intention is to march only, or to watch, it’s such a risky thing to do.

Wyllow3 Sun 04-Aug-24 18:56:16

Daily Express today- -secret services involved

“THE country’s most secretive military unit has been called in to help security services crackdown on the sickening wave of violence which has swept across Britain's streets in the wake of the horror attack in Southport.

The Defence Human Intelligence Unit (DHIU) will provide MI5 with vital intelligence by infiltrating far right wing groups believed to be behind much of the rioting since three young girls were murdered at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class last Monday.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 04-Aug-24 18:59:01

Wyllow3

Daily Express today- -secret services involved

“THE country’s most secretive military unit has been called in to help security services crackdown on the sickening wave of violence which has swept across Britain's streets in the wake of the horror attack in Southport.

The Defence Human Intelligence Unit (DHIU) will provide MI5 with vital intelligence by infiltrating far right wing groups believed to be behind much of the rioting since three young girls were murdered at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class last Monday.

I bet all of the intelligence services are working overtime at the moment.

Good to know though.

Wyllow3 Sun 04-Aug-24 19:02:13

How far can our authorities secret or otherwise stop the SM posts when they break UK law as regards "indictment to"?

AGAA4 Sun 04-Aug-24 19:05:27

Casdon

Side note - I wonder if the proposed riots didn’t get off the ground in Cardiff and Bangor because chanting we want our country back , England etc. and waving St George’s flags would have gone down like a lead balloon - and presumably similarly in Scotland?

Were they really thinking of coming to Wales to wave the Saint George flag? I can't believe they are so dense. Maybe I can.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 04-Aug-24 19:07:44

I don’t know tbh.

But de-platforming seems to be an option. The trouble is Musk appears to be actively supporting the rioters. We shouldn’t be surprised that he is a Trump supporter.

Casdon Sun 04-Aug-24 19:11:08

AGAA4

Casdon

Side note - I wonder if the proposed riots didn’t get off the ground in Cardiff and Bangor because chanting we want our country back , England etc. and waving St George’s flags would have gone down like a lead balloon - and presumably similarly in Scotland?

Were they really thinking of coming to Wales to wave the Saint George flag? I can't believe they are so dense. Maybe I can.

I’m not sure, but I know there was a dispersal order issued in Cardiff in the morning yesterday, lots of police, including at the railway station, and it didn’t get off the ground.

OldFrill Sun 04-Aug-24 19:23:32

Casdon

Side note - I wonder if the proposed riots didn’t get off the ground in Cardiff and Bangor because chanting we want our country back , England etc. and waving St George’s flags would have gone down like a lead balloon - and presumably similarly in Scotland?

It's bad weather in Scotland.

petra Sun 04-Aug-24 19:33:45

Sparklefizz

The Government needs to get the army in. All these threats warning the thugs are falling on deaf ears. They don't give a fig for authority.

Other countries might use water cannon on them and Boris did indeed buy some water cannons but they were never employed so sold for scrap if I remember rightly. I don't know how I feel about those, but anyway ..... the police cannot continue to be sitting ducks and carried away to hospital. These riots need to be stamped on ASAP. It's mostly rent-a-mob enjoying a fight. They can't be reasoned with.

The army needs to be called in pronto, and Starmer needs to stay in London until these riots are quelled.

A few rounds of rubber bullets wouldn’t go amiss 😡