Riots in Southport

Do our police use tear gas?

Rachel Reeves said "Riots could sweep the streets of Britain if immigration is not curbed after Brexit."
28 Sept 2016. Independent, (Check it !) before being part of the Opposition which voted against almost every measure designed to curb it, and has just now opened yet more floodgates . .

Urmstongran

Rachel Reeves said "Riots could sweep the streets of Britain if immigration is not curbed after Brexit."
28 Sept 2016. Independent, (Check it !) before being part of the Opposition which voted against almost every measure designed to curb it, and has just now opened yet more floodgates . .

These aren’t anti-immigrant rioters.

They are racists thugs.

It is entirely different and far more serious.

The intelligence service said in 2016 that the U.K. is in greater danger from white supremicists group than it is from Islamic terrorism.

This has been a slow boiler, but with encouragement from Reform and SM, a very small minority of racist thugs have felt enabled to cause riot.

Urmstongran

Rachel Reeves said "Riots could sweep the streets of Britain if immigration is not curbed after Brexit."
28 Sept 2016. Independent, (Check it !) before being part of the Opposition which voted against almost every measure designed to curb it, and has just now opened yet more floodgates . .

(Let's keep on track here: if we wish to discuss immigration that belongs on a separate thread. Not to mention the difference between legal immigration and migration.

"No" to yet another attempt to excuse rioting which is promoting hatred against UK citizens and police. Please can this thread at least stick to the point)

as you were, posters.

Wyllow3

Urmstongran

Rachel Reeves said "Riots could sweep the streets of Britain if immigration is not curbed after Brexit."
28 Sept 2016. Independent, (Check it !) before being part of the Opposition which voted against almost every measure designed to curb it, and has just now opened yet more floodgates . .

(Let's keep on track here: if we wish to discuss immigration that belongs on a separate thread. Not to mention the difference between legal immigration and migration.

"No" to yet another attempt to excuse rioting which is promoting hatred against UK citizens and police. Please can this thread at least stick to the point)

as you were, posters.

👍

It was the “riots could sweep the street” part that I found interesting. Prescient.

Whitewavemark2

Urmstongran

Rachel Reeves said "Riots could sweep the streets of Britain if immigration is not curbed after Brexit."
28 Sept 2016. Independent, (Check it !) before being part of the Opposition which voted against almost every measure designed to curb it, and has just now opened yet more floodgates . .

These aren’t anti-immigrant rioters.

They are racists thugs.

It is entirely different and far more serious.

The intelligence service said in 2016 that the U.K. is in greater danger from white supremicists group than it is from Islamic terrorism.

This has been a slow boiler, but with encouragement from Reform and SM, a very small minority of racist thugs have felt enabled to cause riot.

I totally agree Whitewavemark2. The only good thing that has come out of this so far is the open criticism of Farage from the Tories, and from the media. I can’t believe that he still hasn’t condemned the rioting.

More prescient is the intelligence judgement made in 2016, which identified white supremicists as the biggest danger.

I’ve been out this afternoon.,,avoided my town centre as we were aware the EDL were coming. The news from Rotherham is awful.
Arson is a very serious offence and can result in a life sentence. I hope the people who set fires set the Holiday Inn, with staff and asylum seekers in the building are identified, prosecuted and imprisoned.
The police are doing an amazing job, the officers must be exhausted.
How dare these so called patriots attack the people we pay to keep us safe.
I remember the 2016 intelligence that identified white supremicists as such a danger.
They’re clearly encouraging, organising the drunken/drug fuelled idiots attacking the police in so many towns and cities.

Like Iam we’ve been busy this afternoon, at home though, just in the garden with family enjoying a barbecue. We watched the Olympics then, not news channels. Reading through this thread is quite shocking. Obviously we knew there was rioting going on yesterday, but the level appears to have accelerated, as if it wasn’t bad enough before. Trying to burn hotels down and police stations and libraries. There is a saying something along the lines of when the books are burned, next will be the people. I’m sorry, that’s not exactly right, but it was said about what happened in Germany in the 30s. What an unholy mess.
There’s another saying, something about people enjoying themselves while Rome burns. Ordinary people like my family, in the garden on a summer Sunday afternoon, enjoying a barbecue, while our cities burned. There was some trouble in Portsmouth yesterday. That’s the nearest city to us, about ten miles away. But just outside the city, in our little town, everything peaceful.
What is the world coming to?

Someone was talking on Sky News tonight talking about what creates a perfect storm for riots like these. They usually happen soon after an election eg 2011. There were several other things that were relevant too. The only difference to these riots imo is that they are coordinated and I think there are outside influences.

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/police-officer-hurt-mob-set-29676794

A second Holiday Inn, used to house asylum seekers, set on fire 😥

x.com/SarahEdwardsTam/status/1818240122103484735

And the local MP, last week 🙄

That x Sarah Edwards reference as you implicate are rather naive to say the least.

She's now saying on X, under the Tamworth x website (cant give a ref, had to copy it

"the scenes tonight of violence are shocking and disgraceful and still ongoing. thank you to Staffs police for ensuring the safety of hotel staff and guests. this will not be tolerated in our town. the police officers have my fullest support" (an hour ago)

x.com/SarahEdwardsTam/status/1820226957851701293

Oh dear, Sarah... 😱

Blue Labour?

MPs need to wind their necks in. They can no longer be free from responsibility when they make inflammatory statements in parliament or the media. They should be held to account.

“Sarah Khan, who wrote a report in 2021 with the current Met commissioner, Sir Mark Rowley, calling for a change in the law on extremism, said it remained the case that it was legal to stir up racial hatred that is not threatening, abusive or insulting.
“And that’s why we’ve seen lawful fascist and neo-Nazi organisations in this country who are doing precisely that,” Khan said. “There are claims about white genocide, promoting dangerous narratives, which is intended to stir up hatred against a racial and religious group.
“There is a kind of growth and influence, not only far-right influencers, but also other extremist actors. There is the use of disinformation on social media.
“Hateful extremism has evolved significantly in the last decade, and extremists have professionalised and coordinated, locally, nationally, transnationally, they’re using social media to spread their extremist ideology and spreading disinformation.
“Our rules have failed to evolve with this growing extremist threat, there are gaps in our legislation that is allowing them to, in effect, operate with impunity.”
Khan said the political tumult in recent years, with the country having five different prime ministers in seven years, had enfeebled the government.

MaizieD

Oh dear, Sarah... 😱

Blue Labour?

Or very inexperienced n a former Tory seat and wanting to please some constituents initially. It may or may not be the case that locals missed and really needed the holiday Inn or that the Holiday Inn was failing and the owners decided to rent it out.

Villagers near to me were very upset that a hotel was being used to house migrants as people were no longer able to use the gym at the hotel and there wasn’t another one nearby that they could use.

MayBee70

Villagers near to me were very upset that a hotel was being used to house migrants as people were no longer able to use the gym at the hotel and there wasn’t another one nearby that they could use.

I'm sure they were. Perhaps they could have asked why the government chose to house people in hotels and pay SERCO billions of pounds?

I would very much like to see a full public enquiry about this sorry episode, that in particular looks at the way those influencers of far right propaganda, division and hate - and I include politicians in this have been allowed to work without impunity.

This all needs to be brought out into the open, and then tackled with full transparency.

Underlying issues of inequality must also be recognised as a dangerous factor in this as well.

serco does seem to be paid loads of money by the government for all sorts of things

Four weeks into being our government and facing such widespread, dangerous public disorder. Also, parliamentarians all due much needed holidays they now won’t get.

JaneJudge

serco does seem to be paid loads of money by the government for all sorts of things

Yes Jane they do. It makes for interesting reading. Still easier to blame " the illegals"

Iam64

Four weeks into being our government and facing such widespread, dangerous public disorder. Also, parliamentarians all due much needed holidays they now won’t get.

This is a bit of a question, isn't it?

Have we seen 'peak rioting' this weekend or are the ringleaders planning more disruption over the coming days?

I hope the police get a chance to catch their breath before anything else happens.