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Riots in Southport

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Jaxjacky Tue 30-Jul-24 21:56:23

I’m fuming about this, allegedly the English Defence League, attacking a local mosque, police attacked and vehicle set on fire. The police have reiterated ‘ the person under arrest was born in the UK’ and to ignore misinformation on social media.
Those poor residents grieving and in shock without the EDL basically stirring.

Fleurpepper Tue 06-Aug-24 17:38:23

So, the other thread that mentionned burning libraries has been pulled. Why?

Well done for saying it as it is this woman

twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1820048627168891380?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1820048627168891380%7Ctwgr%5Ec987f7f41c040d66ef10ec55fb3a6f62da054184%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thepoke.com%2F2024%2F08%2F05%2Fscouser-takedown-rioters-burned-library%2F

When rioters burn libraries, no wonder similar events of the past come to mind.

And well done Darren the doorman- did you hear his wonderful take on these events?

Oreo Tue 06-Aug-24 17:42:09

I just agreed with you on the thread that was pulled Fleurpepper but it wouldn’t post, must have been in the midst of being pulled I guess.
About the real origins of kristallnacht.

Oreo Tue 06-Aug-24 17:43:21

OnwardandUpward

The reason Boris wasted all that money on the water cannons that could not be used is that in Germany a man suffered serious eye damage with his eye balls popping out of his fractured sockets after being in the way of a water cannon.

It's a shame more research was not done as a great deal of
UK money was wasted by the conservatives when they had to basically sell them for scrap because they couldn't be used here.

Tear gas then.

Dickens Tue 06-Aug-24 18:05:38

OnwardandUpward

The reason Boris wasted all that money on the water cannons that could not be used is that in Germany a man suffered serious eye damage with his eye balls popping out of his fractured sockets after being in the way of a water cannon.

It's a shame more research was not done as a great deal of
UK money was wasted by the conservatives when they had to basically sell them for scrap because they couldn't be used here.

The man is now virtually blind.

I have no idea what he was actually doing other than taking part in a protest against plans for the expansion of the main Stuttgart railway which was broken up by water cannon. A jet hit his eyelids which ripped them apart and also broke the bones around his eye sockets which caused his eyeballs to quite literally fall out.

I'm not sure though that is the reason why the cannons were sold on by Germany. I think it's more likely they'd reached the end of their 'shelf life' and more modern versions were replacing them. Hence the 'knockdown' sale price.

However, if Johnson had done his research - but he was never a man for detail he would have realised that we had never used them, only in Northern Ireland, and that David Cameron was opposed to their use. Theresa May banned the use of them ultimately.

They would also have had to be 'modified' prior to use.

I'm not knowledgeable about these matters but I'd imagine if one of the rioters was seriously injured by a water cannon he or she might have a legitimate case for legal action. Or if the rioters - who don't hesitate to overturn police cars and set them on fire - commandeered one of the water cannons...

Anyway, who knows, I don't, but we are not 'licensed' to use them so presumably this would have to be a decision for the Home Secretary.

OnwardandUpward Tue 06-Aug-24 18:26:24

Yes. I do admire Boris for at least trying to defend us, even though it was a bumbling attempt.

Allsorts Tue 06-Aug-24 18:34:53

At least Boris cares about the country. This lot will not address concerns of the people any more than Richie did.

Casdon Tue 06-Aug-24 18:38:28

OnwardandUpward

Yes. I do admire Boris for at least trying to defend us, even though it was a bumbling attempt.

Why didn’t he follow the basic step of asking the government if they could be used before he spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on a weapon which had never been authorised for use in the UK?

Doodledog Tue 06-Aug-24 18:39:47

Allsorts

At least Boris cares about the country. This lot will not address concerns of the people any more than Richie did.

What???

Fleurpepper Tue 06-Aug-24 18:52:00

Oreo

I just agreed with you on the thread that was pulled Fleurpepper but it wouldn’t post, must have been in the midst of being pulled I guess.
About the real origins of kristallnacht.

Thanks Oreo

www.facebook.com/share/9AnTWfgKvQA3VQGJ/

about the library that has been burnt down!

Cadeby Tue 06-Aug-24 19:26:33

Allsorts

At least Boris cares about the country. This lot will not address concerns of the people any more than Richie did.

Please, a couple of examples of caring Boris?

Cadeby Tue 06-Aug-24 19:27:25

OnwardandUpward

Yes. I do admire Boris for at least trying to defend us, even though it was a bumbling attempt.

Defend us from what? Hilarious but not hilarious.

Cossy Tue 06-Aug-24 19:44:42

Allsorts

At least Boris cares about the country. This lot will not address concerns of the people any more than Richie did.

Johnson cared about Johnson! He didn’t care about his country and he didn’t appear to care about his two ex wives and any previous children.

Cossy Tue 06-Aug-24 19:46:26

Allsorts

At least Boris cares about the country. This lot will not address concerns of the people any more than Richie did.

Rishi, our previous PM is called Rishi!

growstuff Tue 06-Aug-24 20:23:22

Allsorts

At least Boris cares about the country. This lot will not address concerns of the people any more than Richie did.

Are you being ironic?

Iam64 Tue 06-Aug-24 20:28:54


Are you being ironic?’

If only

Wyllow3 Tue 06-Aug-24 20:31:30

Fleurpepper thank you for the shirt video clip you posted at the top of this page, its wonderful.

Wyllow3 Tue 06-Aug-24 21:14:19

short video ☺️

Dickens Wed 07-Aug-24 01:52:01

Iam64


Are you being ironic?’

If only

His usual political and economic recklessness. Remember the Garden Bridge?

If only he'd been a man who considered the details...

Boris Johnson, The Man of La Mantra (with apologies to Cervantes).

M0nica Wed 07-Aug-24 07:25:32

Allsorts

At least Boris cares about the country. This lot will not address concerns of the people any more than Richie did.

Boris cares for this country just as long as it is in his own best interest. When supporting the country is no longer in his own personal best interest, he will undermine it, sell itnup the river, go and live somewhere else.

Remember, his decision on whether to support staying in the EU or becoming a Brexiteer? The decision was entirely based on grounds of personal self-interest.

Only 2 days before coming out as a Brexiteer, he had written an eleoquent newspaper article supporting remaining in the EU. www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-article-backing-britains-future-in-the-eu-a3370296.html

He is a man of negotiable principles.

Norah Wed 07-Aug-24 16:12:58

Allsorts

At least Boris cares about the country. This lot will not address concerns of the people any more than Richie did.

Oh dear. Boris cared about Boris.

DamaskRose Wed 07-Aug-24 16:25:09

“He is a man of negotiable principles” exactly M0nica.

Dickens Wed 07-Aug-24 16:38:31

M0nica

Allsorts

At least Boris cares about the country. This lot will not address concerns of the people any more than Richie did.

Boris cares for this country just as long as it is in his own best interest. When supporting the country is no longer in his own personal best interest, he will undermine it, sell itnup the river, go and live somewhere else.

Remember, his decision on whether to support staying in the EU or becoming a Brexiteer? The decision was entirely based on grounds of personal self-interest.

Only 2 days before coming out as a Brexiteer, he had written an eleoquent newspaper article supporting remaining in the EU. www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-article-backing-britains-future-in-the-eu-a3370296.html

He is a man of negotiable principles.

I do wonder just how much control the electorate have or feel they have now we have 'taken it back' from the EU?

I mean ordinary people - not Jacob R-M, Dominic Cummings, Gove, Farage - the 'man or woman in the street'.

Have they been able to exert any pressure on their sovereign government to reduce their energy bills?

Frictionless trade and new deals around the world - how are small and not-so-small business managing with this control they now have?

I won't even say anything about that £350 million per week we diverted from the EU to fund our NHS - because the NHS is functioning so well, isn't it?

Quite a few people, when they despair of Brexit being mentioned yet again say they haven't noticed anything different in their daily lives. Which does beg the question...

Why in God's name did we leave then?

Whoever came up with the 3 word mantra "Get Brexit Done" was something of a genius. The magic mantra gave us a self-serving narcissist. Not much else.

MayBee70 Wed 07-Aug-24 17:00:01

But Dickens, we took back control of our borders. Didn’t we confused?

Fleurpepper Wed 07-Aug-24 17:08:02

Great to hear that Cyprus authorities have volunteered to help extradite Yaxley-Lennon back to UK

Now waiting for Spanish authrorities to stop him returning to Spain where he apparently lives (he loves the UK so much!) and to investigate thoroughly his legal status there, his finances, funding and taxes. Can't wait.

Fleurpepper Wed 07-Aug-24 17:08:19

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/police-in-cyprus-ready-and-waiting-uk-orders-to-bring-tommy-robinson-in-380522/